Who here qualifies for the psychopathic side of BPD?

AmorousDestruction wrote:Sometimes I wonder if you will ever tire of trying to convince yourself that we're a$$holes, TN, my darling.

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-TW-



no offense but the i hate you don't leave me is torture for annyone with emotions an empathy
and those are not the only things
a srink once told me the way to break a bpd's defenses (for therapy not evil) is to make them own up to the bad things they did
actions matter
that does not mean that there cannot be mittegating circumstances
but still actions matter
saying they don't means you have no free will and you cannot change your behaviour
think about it

twistednerve wrote:


Simply lamicious.

Okay, so please forgive me, but please define 'lamicious' lol

-- Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:17 am --

madjoe wrote:

AmorousDestruction wrote:Sometimes I wonder if you will ever tire of trying to convince yourself that we're a$$holes, TN, my darling.

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-TW-



no offense but the i hate you don't leave me is torture for annyone with emotions an empathy
and those are not the only things
a srink once told me the way to break a bpd's defenses (for therapy not evil) is to make them own up to the bad things they did
actions matter
that does not mean that there cannot be mittegating circumstances
but still actions matter
saying they don't means you have no free will and you cannot change your behaviour
think about it

I agree with you, madjoe...

Madjoe is right.

A few things here:

First: [Mod Mode] Tread carefully on this topic. The subject itself is inflammatory to begin with, and people are already starting to get a little edgy on it. Don't give me or LIly cause to lock this.

Second: to answer the original question, I don't tend to have many intentionally malicious traits. That said, when I am angered, either due to my BPD or PTSD, the gloves come off. I lose sight of everything else other than absolutely destroying the other person. It's something I work hard to control, because I know how easily it could land me in prison.

However, I don't intentionally take advantage of people, I don't intentionally manipulate them for my own gains, and I am empathetic to others...just not ones who I feel have wronged me.

Beyond Repute wrote:15%-20% of incarcerated borderlines score in the severe psychopathy range.

While I'm not arguing that statistic, as I don't have any research to agree or disagree with, I think that stat misrepresents us. Given that the people in question are incarcerated, that already puts them in a higher probability that they have more traits in the severe psychopathy range, regardless of whether they have BPD or not. After all, ADX Florence doesn't house too many red light runners!

madjoe wrote:

AmorousDestruction wrote:Sometimes I wonder if you will ever tire of trying to convince yourself that we're a$$holes, TN, my darling.

.

-TW-



no offense but the i hate you don't leave me is torture for annyone with emotions an empathy
and those are not the only things
a srink once told me the way to break a bpd's defenses (for therapy not evil) is to make them own up to the bad things they did
actions matter
that does not mean that there cannot be mittegating circumstances
but still actions matter
saying they don't means you have no free will and you cannot change your behaviour
think about it

I wasn't arguing that we aren't responsible for our behavior. It just doesn't make us a$$holes or psychopaths. I have owned up to all of my past behavior, thanks. I have even apologized where I could. That stereotype that a true BPD person can't admit their faults and bad behavior is absolute BS and it drives me crazy! And I've never done the "I hate you don't leave me" thing on purpose. I legitimately felt conflicted and uncertain of my emotions. And it's no party for the BPD person either. Everyone does bad things from time to time. It's part of being human. It doesn't make you an a$$hole.

AmorousDestruction wrote:

madjoe wrote:

AmorousDestruction wrote:Sometimes I wonder if you will ever tire of trying to convince yourself that we're a$$holes, TN, my darling.

.

-TW-



no offense but the i hate you don't leave me is torture for annyone with emotions an empathy
and those are not the only things
a srink once told me the way to break a bpd's defenses (for therapy not evil) is to make them own up to the bad things they did
actions matter
that does not mean that there cannot be mittegating circumstances
but still actions matter
saying they don't means you have no free will and you cannot change your behaviour
think about it

I wasn't arguing that we aren't responsible for our behavior. It just doesn't make us a$$holes or psychopaths.

Now you are having prejudices agains psycopaths.

Psycopaths do $#%^? Of course they do! But on pop psychology they are the evilst of all criatures, but I know borderlines, paranoids, compulsives, narcissists and even schizotypals can be a lot more destructive.

Dont you think Darth Vader is borderline?

Many will say that Adolf Hitler himself was borderline. Of course psychology of 70s used to treat everything as borderline. But yes he is somehow in the borderline between neurosis and psychosis. He is not fully psychotic. Personally I think he is more of paranoid with a very high narcissism, but that is just my opnion.

The truth is borderlines make interesting villains on drama. Psycopaths just make black comedies like the Wolf of Wall Street.

creative_nothing wrote:Now you are having prejudices agains psycopaths.

Psycopaths do $#%^? Of course they do! But on pop psychology they are the evilst of all criatures, but I know borderlines, paranoids, compulsives, narcissists and even schizotypals can be a lot more destructive.

Dont you think Darth Vader is borderline?

Many will say that Adolf Hitler himself was borderline. Of course psychology of 70s used to treat everything as borderline. But yes he is somehow in the borderline between neurosis and psychosis. He is not fully psychotic.

The truth is borderlines make interesting villains on drama. Psycopaths just make black comedies like the Wolf of Wall Street.

I don't know Hitler personally so I can't diagnose him. I also am not enough of a Star Wars fan to do armchair psychology on a fictitious character. Sorry. All that "this evil person had BPD!" BS is spread by men scorned by BPD women. It's the cutest thing seeing them all cry and whine about it.

I'll pass on psychopaths. *TW* I was raped by one. I'll take my people with empathy, please and thank you. You can "recover" from BPD, but you can't grow a conscience.

AmorousDestruction wrote:
I don't know Hitler personally so I can't diagnose him. I also am not enough of a Star Wars fan to do armchair psychology on a fictitious character. Sorry. All that "this evil person had BPD!" BS is spread by men scorned by BPD women. It's the cutest thing seeing them all cry and whine about it.

No armchair psychologist, articles from qualified psychiatrists.

I'll pass on psychopaths. *TW* I was raped by one. I'll take my people with empathy, please and thank you. You can "recover" from BPD, but you can't grow a conscience.

Yes, but what is worse, a lack of conscience or a distored conscience?

For instance a conscience that believes in a better world, like a pure aryan race?

Psycopaths are destructive to a limit. Just a tiny minority of them are rapists.

Oh my God, Darth Vader is a total BPD! Good one, CN!
Childhood abuse, feeling protective of his powerless mother, never forming healthy attachments with anyone, being constantly rejected by his father figure (Obi-Wan) because of the Jedi code, finally giving in to his rage and ruining his life and of those he loved because of it - and all for love and the anxiety of losing it!
Then there was just the emptiness, hatred and the need for acceptance on a new father/mother figure who abused him and gave him the distorted attachment bordering rejection, shame, abuse and pain with promises of love and absolute loyalty.
I'm sad now, poor Anakin.

I'm trying to dig up the statistics, but there are usually less ASPD and psychopathic inmates than BPD inmates. Found a study that shows the percentage of people who are in prison having BPD being higher than in the community, but seems shady and it's not what I wanted from this thread.

I actually wanna know if BPDs can just have attachment and emotional dysregulation issues without necessarily sharing the, as Casper put it, "malicious" traits (the traits that are usually found in NPD, HPD and ASPD).

And please, this is not an inflammatory thread. I know BPDs have difficulty discussing their illness unlike any other diagnosis (aside from some schizophrenics who seem to get very upset when you disagree with the veracity of their hallucinations or just say they're disordered - those get ANGRY!). I really just want to see people who actually have issues outside of the malicious, violent and aggressive BPD traits. I just wanna know if it's inherit or not.

Maybe it would have a lot in common with codependant PD.

creative_nothing wrote:

AmorousDestruction wrote:
I don't know Hitler personally so I can't diagnose him. I also am not enough of a Star Wars fan to do armchair psychology on a fictitious character. Sorry. All that "this evil person had BPD!" BS is spread by men scorned by BPD women. It's the cutest thing seeing them all cry and whine about it.

No armchair psychologist, articles from qualified psychiatrists.

I'll pass on psychopaths. *TW* I was raped by one. I'll take my people with empathy, please and thank you. You can "recover" from BPD, but you can't grow a conscience.

Yes, but what is worse, a lack of conscience or a distored conscience?

For instance a conscience that believes in a better world, like a pure aryan race?

Psycopaths are destructive to a limit. Just a tiny minority of them are rapists.

Then those "qualified" psychiatrists need to get a life. They can't think of anything more useful to do with their time?

It does depend on the psychopath, yes. And my ex-boyfriend was not incredibly destructive, just power hungry and sexually sadistic. But while dating someone with traits of sociopathy and a sex drive fueled by the torture of women was thrilling at first, it's a truly unpleasant experience to fully see just how little someone can care about other people. It seems ok in theory but experiencing the lack of empathy first-hand is terrifying. *TW* Pain and loss of power turn me on so the rape itself wasn't as traumatic. It was the fact that after dating 8 months and living with him he truly didn't care at all about my well-being or my personhood and all those times he whispered "you're nothing but a hole to f***" in my ear while he we were having sex or told me that I was nothing, he truly meant it. There were similar events where my screaming or crying didn't stop him and he just didn't care if I was upset and found it amusing, but I brushed them off as play. That made it real.

And now, there's no way in hell I want to deal with anyone who simply dismisses the rights of others and feels nothing when they are in pain and can't care for other human beings. It makes them literally less than human as those parts of us are what makes us human. You can talk all you want in theory, but until you experience it, you'll never know what it's like to see the true nature of a psychopath.

This is why I laugh at all those people who call BPD women evil or psychopaths and all the men who cry about BPD ex's. It's ridiculous. HELP I'VE BEEN ABUSED BY A WOMAN WHO SAID SHE LOVED ME BUT THEN DIDN'T CALL ME BACK!!!

-- Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:03 pm --

twistednerve wrote:And please, this is not an inflammatory thread. I know BPDs have difficulty discussing their illness unlike any other diagnosis (aside from some schizophrenics who seem to get very upset when you disagree with the veracity of their hallucinations or just say they're disordered - those get ANGRY!). I really just want to see people who actually have issues outside of the malicious, violent and aggressive BPD traits. I just wanna know if it's inherit or not.

Oh please, TN. I like you and all but you can be such a f***ing troll.