Who here qualifies for the psychopathic side of BPD?

AmorousDestruction wrote:
It does depend on the psychopath, yes. And my ex-boyfriend was not incredibly destructive, just power hungry and sexually sadistic. But while dating someone with traits of sociopathy and a sex drive fueled by the torture of women was thrilling at first, it's a truly unpleasant experience to fully see just how little someone can care about other people. It seems ok in theory but experiencing the lack of empathy first-hand is terrifying. *TW* Pain and loss of power turn me on so the rape itself wasn't as traumatic. It was the fact that after dating 8 months and living with him he truly didn't care at all about my well-being or my personhood and all those times he whispered "you're nothing but a hole to f***" in my ear while he we were having sex or told me that I was nothing, he truly meant it. There were similar events where my screaming or crying didn't stop him and he just didn't care if I was upset and found it amusing, but I brushed them off as play. That made it real.

Sorry

And now, there's no way in hell I want to deal with anyone who simply dismisses the rights of others and feels nothing when they are in pain and can't care for other human beings. It makes them literally less than human as those parts of us are what makes us human. You can talk all you want in theory, but until you experience it, you'll never know what it's like to see the true nature of a psychopath.

This is why I laugh at all those people who call BPD women evil or psychopaths and all the men who cry about BPD ex's. It's ridiculous. HELP I'VE BEEN ABUSED BY A WOMAN WHO SAID SHE LOVED ME BUT THEN DIDN'T CALL ME BACK!!!

Yes less them human. But that is what make them potentially less dangerous.

To be destructive, you must have an ideal to fight for, and ideal that you convince others to follow. And them you need some loyalty. Also you need some forethough planning.

Psycopaths arent capable of either.

AmorousDestruction wrote:
Oh please, TN. I like you and all but you can be such a f***ing troll.

This thread is SERIOUS. And important to me. I make inquiring threads all the time. PF is more active on the PD subforums, so you don't see me posting on the other ones much.

I just joined Crazyboards. The girls there told me I'm pretty. A guy too.

creative_nothing wrote:Sorry

No need for that. I was just illustrating my point. I hate to feel like I'm asking for sympathy when I'm talking about this kind of stuff.

creative_nothing wrote:Yes less them human. But that is what make them potentially less dangerous.

To be destructive, you must have an ideal to fight for, and ideal that you convince others to follow. And them you need some loyalty. Also you need some forethough planning.

Psycopaths arent capable of either.

You're wrong. My ex was a politician. Psychopaths can be very intelligent and good at mimicking empathy and interest. He did have loyalty. He certainly had mine at one point. Power was his ideal to fight for.

Perhaps there are different shades of psychopaths, but I do think they are capable of planning, making social connections, and having interests worth fighting for.

-- Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:25 pm --

twistednerve wrote:

AmorousDestruction wrote:
Oh please, TN. I like you and all but you can be such a f***ing troll.

This thread is SERIOUS. And important to me. I make inquiring threads all the time. PF is more active on the PD subforums, so you don't see me posting on the other ones much.

I just joined Crazyboards. The girls there told me I'm pretty. A guy too.

You whore. I'm supposed to be the only one calling you pretty!

creative_nothing wrote:

AmorousDestruction wrote:
It does depend on the psychopath, yes. And my ex-boyfriend was not incredibly destructive, just power hungry and sexually sadistic. But while dating someone with traits of sociopathy and a sex drive fueled by the torture of women was thrilling at first, it's a truly unpleasant experience to fully see just how little someone can care about other people. It seems ok in theory but experiencing the lack of empathy first-hand is terrifying. *TW* Pain and loss of power turn me on so the rape itself wasn't as traumatic. It was the fact that after dating 8 months and living with him he truly didn't care at all about my well-being or my personhood and all those times he whispered "you're nothing but a hole to f***" in my ear while he we were having sex or told me that I was nothing, he truly meant it. There were similar events where my screaming or crying didn't stop him and he just didn't care if I was upset and found it amusing, but I brushed them off as play. That made it real.

Sorry

And now, there's no way in hell I want to deal with anyone who simply dismisses the rights of others and feels nothing when they are in pain and can't care for other human beings. It makes them literally less than human as those parts of us are what makes us human. You can talk all you want in theory, but until you experience it, you'll never know what it's like to see the true nature of a psychopath.

This is why I laugh at all those people who call BPD women evil or psychopaths and all the men who cry about BPD ex's. It's ridiculous. HELP I'VE BEEN ABUSED BY A WOMAN WHO SAID SHE LOVED ME BUT THEN DIDN'T CALL ME BACK!!!

Yes less them human. But that is what make them potentially less dangerous.

To be destructive, you must have an ideal to fight for, and ideal that you convince others to follow. And them you need some loyalty. Also you need some forethough planning.

Psycopaths arent capable of either.

Psychopath is such a lose term... Not a valid diagnosis in my opinion. I use it to describe the more aggressive, selfish, malicious and "not humane" characteristics of NPD/BPD/HPD/ASPD.

Real people who got diagnosed as psychopaths are probably a weird mix of schizo-spectrum and a cluster B disorder. But even pure schizotypals can and often do horrid things, the more common being abusive to family members or spouses.

That kind of impaired processing of emotional information described in some psychopaths is not at all just lack of empathy found in Cluster B disorders. It's not just egotistical behavior. Goes deeper.

AmorousDestruction wrote:

creative_nothing wrote:Yes less them human. But that is what make them potentially less dangerous.

To be destructive, you must have an ideal to fight for, and ideal that you convince others to follow. And them you need some loyalty. Also you need some forethough planning.

Psycopaths arent capable of either.

You're wrong. My ex was a politician. Psychopaths can be very intelligent and good at mimicking empathy and interest.

Perhaps there are different shades of psychopaths, but I do think they are capable of planning, making social connections, and having interests worth fighting for.

I never said psycopaths cant go to politics. Indeed psycopathic traits are welcomed in many areas, and some seem to be full blown psycopaths.

I remember one politician here, that after being a 'good' mayor by bankrupting the city, tried to make his sucessor. He begged people that if the candidate he appoitend, was not good mayor, never vote for him again. He never was elected again for a major position. Of course no one would be a good mayor with all that debts to pay.

Clear lack of forethought. But if you stay 5 minutes with him, he will convince you he is innocent.

He did have loyalty. He certainly had mine at one point. Power was his ideal to fight for.

Was he loyal to you?

That may be a malignant form of narcissism other than full blown psychopathy.

Psycopaths may be power hungry, but they are loners. That means that they will be the first to leave the boat, when they sense its sinking.

But I agree that the world psycopath has many differente meaning. I am using here at H Cleckey Sense. But Kernbeg had a similar view.

EDIT: Mispelling

Semantics and psych'********** are a bit*ch.

BPD+ASPD=just a person that is an extreme paradox.


* self edit.

graveflower wrote:BPD+ASPD=just a person that is an extreme paradox.


* self edit.

Actually they're pretty much the same people. lol They receive either diagnosis more based on sex or sexual preference because of the subtle bias BPD has on doctors as being hyperfeminine.

twistednerve wrote:

graveflower wrote:BPD+ASPD=just a person that is an extreme paradox.


* self edit.

Actually they're pretty much the same people. lol They receive either diagnosis more based on sex or sexual preference because of the subtle bias BPD has on doctors as being hyperfeminine.

A true male has no remorse!

Guilt is for ladies!

Indeed feelings are for ladies!









Edit:
Is there a expression for a 'true male' in english?

Here we say 'macho que é macho'(like 'a man that is a man' feel no remorse)

Please twiested help me.

Or machismo is an extremely brazilian phenomena. I know it related to latin cultures.

Edit2:
Now more seriously I think this kind of 'machismo' may be more related to compensatory narcissism, and specially sadistic PD.

I don't think there is a psychopathic side to straight BPD.

we are probably talking about comorbidity if there is.

I guess one could say BPD are greedy and ruthless for love, just like psychopaths and narcissists may be greedy and ruthless for power, but compared to psychopaths BPD show more guilt, confusion, and ambivalence about it.

i don't think this is simply an act, BPD are neurotic and their emotional turmoil is real.

they are not cold and calculating in the name of love.

rather they are emotionally dysregulated and impulsive, but once they've realized what they've done they feel bad, etc.

i infer this because unlike psychopaths BPD are not detached, which is necessary for true guiltlessness.

also empathy precludes truly psychopathic behaviour, and BPD often have butt-loads of it. in fact, BPD may empathize too much at times, as, like a child, they take on the emotional states of others completely, crying from the mere site of another crying.

again, they are not detached, in fact....

could it be that when BPD rage against the other, that they are just inappropriately mirroring the other's rage (percieved) toward them?