Who here qualifies for the psychopathic side of BPD?

crystal_richardson_ wrote:Maybe there's just a BPD side to psychopathy...

I suggest this because BPD may do psychopath-like behaviours at times...but they feel guilt/remorse after

I would say the same thing, but on the other hand who can determine this for sure.
I am fascinated by guilt and remorse topic, I think it is one of the key issues.
People say that they feel guilty, but do they really - yes, I don't know myself. Guilt, but weaker with remorse.

But sadly I've noticed also normal people have major problems with these.

"Real remorse means seeing the pain you caused someone, and reaching out to make it better. Feeling bad for the person in pain.
A person who feels guilt rather than remorse sees the pain of others (that they inflicted) as judgment, condemnation, and feels bad for themselves. What they feel for the person in pain is anger - anger for showing them what they don't want to see (the consequences of their actions).
Someone who feels remorse for doing a bad thing will always consider the thing they did to be bad.
Someone really remorseful doesn't want to repeat a harmful action - they aren't even tempted to. Real remorse means never doing it again, self accountability.
Someone who feels guilty can still repeat the actions causing the guilt, precisely to escape the guilt. The only way to end feelings of guilt is self accountability - guilt happens when someone runs from it.
Remorse says "I'm sorry I hurt you".
Guilt says "stop making me feel bad for what I did".
Remorse cares more about the one wounded. They don't care about others holding them accountable because they already hold themselves accountable.
Guilt worries more about how the wounded one makes them appear in the eyes of others. They feel their self image is being attacked. They do worry about others holding them accountable because they shirk self accountability.
Remorse means learning from one's harmful actions."

they are emotions. while they may deter repeating the action, they won't guarantee it won't happen again

sometimes people forget how it feels...and do it again

guilt is feeling bad that you caused someone harm.

remorse is like...a sense of regret, wishing you had not done it

-- Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:50 pm --

remorse is probably regret associated with feeling guilt.

it's like.,..guilt feels bad

we regret things that makes us feel bad.

so what people really regret in the case of remorse is doing something to make them feel guilty

it's like 'i wish i didn't do that because now i feel bad' - remorse

and they don't want to feel bad.

Sometimes I wonder if you will ever tire of trying to convince yourself that we're a$$holes, TN, my darling.

None of that applies to me. Empathy may be a bit underdeveloped but in relation to understanding other perspectives. It's more tied to egocentrism- not to be conflated with narcissism. And as someone else said, much regret is had when I realize I've hurt someone. It's more like a child's sense of others. Less lacking and more like a muscle that hasn't been exercised enough because my emotions were so strong that how things impacted me always seemed like the most important thing in the world.

It is a difficult thing let in our consciousness, that we may not feel remorse for the wrongs have done for others. On their behalf. But it hurts if there's consequences towards us. The consequences feel bad, it not necessarily that we have offended and hurt others.
Results? Anger and frustration, blame, blaming..
This model ensures that we never actually learn.

AmorousDestruction wrote: I wonder if you will ever tire of trying to convince yourself that we're a$$holes, TN

^ ^

WendyTorrance wrote:I could have a few words on the subject, but since I don't have any kind of official diagnosis. It wouldn't be qualified.
Interesting topic though.

I know this certain woman who is an excellent example of BPD behavior on par with psychopathy, but she doesn't admit she has BPD. I think you remember her

BPM606060 wrote:I know this certain woman who is an excellent example of BPD behavior on par with psychopathy, but she doesn't admit she has BPD

Maybe she is just a psychopath, doc, eh?
Joking.

WendyTorrance wrote:

BPM606060 wrote:I know this certain woman who is an excellent example of BPD behavior on par with psychopathy, but she doesn't admit she has BPD

Maybe she is just a psychopath, doc, eh?
Joking.

She is hot.

AmorousDestruction wrote:Sometimes I wonder if you will ever tire of trying to convince yourself that we're a$$holes, TN, my darling.

Simply lamicious.

twistednerve wrote:

AmorousDestruction wrote:Sometimes I wonder if you will ever tire of trying to convince yourself that we're a$$holes, TN, my darling.

Simply lamicious.

Poor mankey.

creative_nothing wrote:

WendyTorrance wrote:

BPM606060 wrote:I know this certain woman who is an excellent example of BPD behavior on par with psychopathy, but she doesn't admit she has BPD

Maybe she is just a psychopath, doc, eh?
Joking.

She is hot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo