Are HPD's sadistic?

lodi dodi wrote:I would peg her with npd but she only cares about garnering attention/adoration in specific "flavor" rather than being above others.
Her princess schtick isn't about being better than others, it's about how she wants to be treated and regarded as--adored, nurtured, and lavished.
It could be that her inclination for power is narcissistic, but I see it more as her childhood conditioning thus her purposely breaking/enforcing rules as means of testing to retain unconditional self worth... and such form of attention.
N's need for power has to do with dominating to feel worth and it's not testy or rehashed nor excessively enjoyed unless they hate the person... it's about status quo for them, a necessity, not indulged but felt.

-- Tue May 22, 2012 2:47 pm --

Labor are you taking things personally here?
Or you're just inclined to suspect nons?

Hi Leni,

Let me ask you a question: are all corvette's black?

- Labor.

Yeah, probably a little of both lodi...

next up is going to be HPD is linked to cheating ...

- Labor.

They stated more than once that not all HPDs are sadistic in some of their posts. You must've missed them.

And are you implying that I'm Leni?

Orion wrote: No I agree with Millon's subtypes, I was trying to explain the processes within the Disingenuous ST, which is most likely to exhibit sadism ...

Ok..got you! lol

My thoughts were based on the definition of sadistic. The subtype tempestous, could also be interpreted as sadistic behavior. Taking in consideration the original poster thoughts/question and written description, he wasn't asking why the behavior, but are they. Well "some" are. IE passive aggressive behavior and thriving on the creation of turmoil. Seems to match tempestous and his description, as far as I can tell.

Anyway..hope it helps him..

PS: Labor...did you ever hear of Million's subtypes? . Do you need attention? You ok? No labor you are not sadistic.


OK

Labor, could it be that you're taking it personally because you might have some sadistic characteristics as well?
Not in the sexual sense but in the sense that prevailed in this topic...
You partake in trolling sometimes, sometimes out of anger, sometimes not...

thisislabor wrote:It is the ruling of Judge Labor that:

"yes yes yes, clearly as can be seen by the supposedly non-disordered people who post on this forum... it has been definatively proven that sadism is a trait of HPD despite what the DSM IV says.

yep yep yep... let it forever be here held forth on psychforums.com that HPD's are sadistic."

oh man how long is this thread going to go on for?

- Labor.

The definition of electricity doesn't say anything about sound and light. Does that mean the buzzing snapping sound and bright flash from a discharging Tesla coil isn't electicity? The DSM is a simplified boiled down set of ROOT behaviors. Both emotional sadism and the light/sound from a tesla coil are examples of manifestations of a root cause.

When applied to someone with HPD, sadistic behavior can be ROOTED in several different items from the DSM-IV. Some examples of the mainifestations are:
1. Attention: When someone is in pain, their attention is pretty focused on the source of that pain. HPDs who engage in this behavior do so usually when they're feeling "neglected" or otherwise starved for attention.
2.Self Dramatization: Someone else here gave a perfect example where the HPD deliberately inflicted emotional pain and, when the person called her, she put him on speaker phone in a mocking "tee-hee" sense.. The object was for her to show others how profound and dramatic she was in his heart.
3. Inappropriate provocative behavior: This isn't limited to sexual seduction. Emotional provocation also falls into this criteria. And emotional sadism is obviously inappropriate emotional provocation.

One of the secondary generic traits for HPD is the seeking of approval and reassurance. Hurting people is only possible when the person has genuine feelings. In a roundabout way, HPDs hurt people out of a need for reassurance and approval because an indifferent reaction to their manipulative behavior is akin to criticism or being ignored.

dingbat69 wrote:

thisislabor wrote:It is the ruling of Judge Labor that:

"yes yes yes, clearly as can be seen by the supposedly non-disordered people who post on this forum... it has been definatively proven that sadism is a trait of HPD despite what the DSM IV says.

yep yep yep... let it forever be here held forth on psychforums.com that HPD's are sadistic."

oh man how long is this thread going to go on for?

- Labor.

The definition of electricity doesn't say anything about sound and light. Does that mean the buzzing snapping sound and bright flash from a discharging Tesla coil isn't electicity? The DSM is a simplified boiled down set of ROOT behaviors. Both emotional sadism and the light/sound from a tesla coil are examples of manifestations of a root cause.

When applied to someone with HPD, sadistic behavior can be ROOTED in several different items from the DSM-IV. Some examples of the mainifestations are:
1. Attention: When someone is in pain, their attention is pretty focused on the source of that pain. HPDs who engage in this behavior do so usually when they're feeling "neglected" or otherwise starved for attention.
2.Self Dramatization: Someone else here gave a perfect example where the HPD deliberately inflicted emotional pain and, when the person called her, she put him on speaker phone in a mocking "tee-hee" sense.. The object was for her to show others how profound and dramatic she was in his heart.
3. Inappropriate provocative behavior: This isn't limited to sexual seduction. Emotional provocation also falls into this criteria. And emotional sadism is obviously inappropriate emotional provocation.

One of the secondary generic traits for HPD is the seeking of approval and reassurance. Hurting people is only possible when the person has genuine feelings. In a roundabout way, HPDs hurt people out of a need for reassurance and approval because an indifferent reaction to their manipulative behavior is akin to criticism or being ignored.

dingbat69, I don't know who you are but that was an excellently written thesis, though wrong it was very well written and highly logical and followed on point well.

You should have stated:

When applied to someone with HPD, sadistic behavior is ROOTED in several different items from the DSM-IV. Some examples of the mainifestations are:

and the reason why you did not, is because you can't morally justify your position. I know I have had to write several papers myself...

thank you.

- Labor.

dingbat69 wrote:One of the primary generic traits for HPD is the seeking of approval and reassurance. Hurting people is only possible when the person has genuine feelings. In a roundabout way, HPDs hurt people out of a need for reassurance and approval because an indifferent reaction to their manipulative behavior is akin to criticism or being ignored.

another incorrect part in your post...

- Labors.

thisislabor wrote:

dingbat69 wrote:One of the primary generic traits for HPD is the seeking of approval and reassurance. Hurting people is only possible when the person has genuine feelings. In a roundabout way, HPDs hurt people out of a need for reassurance and approval because an indifferent reaction to their manipulative behavior is akin to criticism or being ignored.

another incorrect part in your post...

- Labors.

Would you care to explain why you come to that conclusion? Keep in mind that I've put facts and reason behind my post. To be credible, you'll have to do the same. A simple declaration with absolutely no substance to it doesn't carry much weight.

thisislabor wrote:dingbat69, I don't know who you are but that was an excellently written thesis, though wrong it was very well written and highly logical and followed on point well.

You should have stated:

When applied to someone with HPD, sadistic behavior is ROOTED in several different items from the DSM-IV. Some examples of the mainifestations are:

and the reason why you did not, is because you can't morally justify your position. I know I have had to write several papers myself...

thank you.

- Labor.

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I'm not sure I understand your point here. You posted "You should have stated:"... then followed by quoting what I DID say. Moral justification doesn't factor into this at all. We're not talking about ethics or philosophy but rather human behavior. Again, it's clear you don't agree... but you haven't said anything about why. Could it be that you're NOT sadistic in any way, so don't have an emotional relation to what I'm saying?