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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:34 pm

Therapy sessions have been very intense lately. Alter 5 (girl in the void) has been crying that she is sorry, so sorry. I am not sure for what, other than perhaps being the source of so much preoccupation in the past two years. Well, honey, we all need to pay some attention to ourselves. Therapist remarked "So now that's two alters who have told you they are sorry. What about [Alter 2]?" I replied "I haven't heard anything like that from him." We paused a moment and I heard him say in a very defensive tone "What did I do?" As in, what does he have to be sorry for? I told T what he just said and T and I grinned at each other. I was thinking "Such a typical guy reaction." He blushed! It was not me blushing; I wasn't feeling any embarrassment but suddenly I felt scorching hot and T said my face was all red.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Johnny-Jack » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:10 pm

Well, Alter 2 is just being himself. And he was just talked about by two women within earshot and was kind of verbally thumped by your thought. It's these moments, I know, that help erase those occasional doubts or confusion about how DID really works. Whatever the reality of DID, the inescapable experience sometimes is that there is absolutely more than one person in your body.

As for your previous post on this thread, Jonathan has become more active in our group over time and is figuring out how to maneuver around or bypass his original design, which was pure support of me. He and Dan seem to be more prominent in their straightness, if that makes sense. Jonathan has virtually all of our experience with women as women, however, and he is apparently immune from the triggers that pushed me to avoid any sustained thought of women as sexual objects. I think it was in part his lack of success in winning against me that caused him to give up and go into hibernation years ago. Even though most of our memory is blocked, his recall of women he got us involved with is still fairly accessible.

If we could, I think virtually all of us would switch hosts to Jonathan, including me.

Next time we meet, Una, we'd love to have a conversation with Alter 2! Quato likes his style, his attitude. Not that your system switches that way, but you know.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:03 pm

So the signs are pointing to there being another one lurking inside. There have been a few odd experiences I could not attribute to anyone. I thought perhaps they were my own unconscious behaviors. Only now...

Alter 5, the girl in love, longs for a man I am barely acquainted with. But her longing is purely romantic, not sexual ("genital") or even erotic. She wants to be held. Now and then, however, I do experience intense erotic feelings. They catch me by surprise, and they are almost always about Alter 5's man.

For example once I was walking in a dark hallway, barely able to see anything in front of me, when suddenly my body turned on! Hips swaying, pulse pounding, the works. I don't recall ever feeling so sexy before in my life. And then I saw Alter 5's man walking toward me. Seeing him put a fast halt to the sexy feeling, as it was overwhelmed by a very icky feeling and urge to shield myself.

Another example. This week while busy doing something or other I suddenly realized there was a thought or a faint voice talking in the back of my mind. I listened in and heard "That [Alter 5's man] is so hot, so sexy" etc. When I related this to my husband he said "Hah! That is so not you!" He's right. Male romantic movie stars don't do much for me. My usual reaction is "Meh." Well, with the possible exception of Colin Firth...

I'd like to get in touch with that sexy part of myself. Hello? Are you listening?
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The wish to meet other multiples

Postby Una+ » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:09 pm

There have been several threads this month about relationship issues that I really identified with. It is scary and exciting and to discover that the complicated, confusing, deliciously different person you love is a multiple. That explains so much, and portends so much more! Especially touching for me is the first thread linked here, about two persons with DID finding each other and somehow knowing they have this in common. This happens with remarkable frequency, even when neither person knows they are a multiple.

DID x DID = aaaarrrgh! *trigger warning SH*

Need some advice, my husband is 1 of 9 and we have two Kids

Did I fall in love with an alter?

Here is a related quote from Frank W. Putnam, "Diagnosis and Treatment of Multiple Personality Disorder", 1989, pp.181-182:

The Wish to Meet Another Multiple

A multiple often demonstrates an approach-avoidance conflict when faced with the possibility of meeting another multiple. On one side is the wish to meet a fellow traveler, to prove that one is not alone, and to discover that other people exist who are more of an "us" than an "I." The flip side of this ambivalence is that meeting another multiple would confirm the reality of MPD.

When multiples get together, they interact as well as anyone else. Despite the incredible number of possible personality interactions between two multiples, the dynamics of their systems usually serve to bring out the most appropriate pairs of alters. Administrators will deal with their counterparts, and child alters will play together. There is often an intense initial bonding that later gives way to a more realistic relationship as the two multiples come to know each other better. One of the more difficult aspects of these relationships occurs when one multiple attempts to relate to another multiple as he or she might relate to someone without MPD. This may include covert switching or other deceptions that multiples use to conceal their multiplicity. Such behavior can produce a strong negative reaction from another multiple, who is more perceptive on this score and recognizes that the first multiple is not being "honest" with him or her.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:53 pm

A week has passed since my previous post in this thread and no one has come forward to own the sexy feelings. At random moments however I do keep hearing a voice muttering "I love him". With this voice I am getting no emotions or body sensations, so I don't know for sure that it isn't Alter 5 or one of the other regulars but my intuition is this is someone new. The voice is not speaking to me, and might not even be aware I can hear the voice.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby tribeofone » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:26 pm

Hi Una+,

have not much time right now b/c work, but will update my own thread in a bit - just to say "Romeo and Juliet in DID land" is on in full swing apparently :-)

and thanks for posting that quote below - I only just figured out yesterday that the things that most drive me nuts about the other crew is what i call their "patches", i.e. mental constructs they use to lie to themselves and us. Seems I'm not alone!

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It shows an excessive tenderness for the world to remove contradiction from it and then to transfer the contradiction to reason, where it is allowed to remain unresolved.

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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:12 pm

For those reading my posts in other threads today: if you get the idea I am surrounded by multiples, you've got the right idea! That seems to be the case.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:27 am

Here I am recovering some old posts of mine from an important thread that got removed from this DID Forum to another forum where we are not welcome. The thread was about the concern many of us have that our DID could cause DID in our children. The thread got removed after it became "contaminated" by a newcomer ranting about their parent and then another person complaining the rant was triggering.

Una, April 12, 2011 wrote:
DID Patients as Parents

DID patients have been shown to have a wide range of competence as parents—from exemplary to abusive (R. P. Kluft, 1987b). Clinicians should be aware of the potential for a DID parent to be neglectful or abusive when in particular dissociative states or because of life problems associated with this disorder (e.g., depression, fear of being assertive). Abuse and neglect can include permitting children to be exposed to abusive family members—either the DID patient’s family of origin or abusive partners—subjecting children to witnessing domestic violence or acts of self-harm, and so on.

The therapist should actively assess these issues and then offer assistance with parenting behavior. Work on the safety of the patient’s children should be an absolute priority in the adult patient’s treatment. The patient may need extensive education about how to function appropriately as a parent, including work with alternate identities who deny that they are parents and/or refuse to acknowledge the needs of their children. Patients must be encouraged to be in an adult identity state when with their children, not to switch openly in front of them, and not to regress into child identity states in order to play with them. When indicated, the children of DID patients should be assessed by a therapist familiar with dissociative disorders and indicators of child abuse. Other family interventions, such as couples therapy and family therapy sessions that include the patient’s children, may be indicated. However, caution should be exercised in determining what information is shared with minor children concerning the patient’s DID diagnosis, depending on the age of the children and their cognitive and emotional development.

At times, following state/jurisdictional law, the clinician may need to report to the authorities abuse, or possible abuse, of children by the patient, members of the patient’s current family, members of the family of origin, or extrafamilial perpetrators. The therapist should act vigorously to protect the DID patient’s children from abuse or neglect, even if this means a rupture of the therapeutic relationship. In general, having the patient make the report together with the therapist may be the most clinically helpful intervention for the patient. Whenever possible, the patient (and his or her spouse or partner) should be advised of this possibility or necessity ahead of time.


Source: International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation (2011) 'Guidelines for Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder in Adults, Third Revision', Journal of Trauma & Dissociation, 12: 2, 115 — 187


Una, April 13, 2011 wrote:It is not necessary to be a perfect parent, but it is vitally important to be a good enough parent.

Below is a link to an online article by Peter Barach, one of the foremost researchers into DID, concerning the effects of parental dissociation and related pathology on children. Dissociation is a much broader category than DID, and not all people suffering with DID or another form of dissociative disorder will abuse or neglect their children.

http://www.peterbarach.com/MPD%20as%20an%20attachment%20disorder.htm


Una, April 13, 2011 wrote:
Onlyme wrote:Most of these studies are even written by people who have maybe seen one or two cases in their lives of DID.


The two sources I gave are by expert therapists who have treated many, many people with DID.

The original poster clearly has an axe to grind with his mother but it is not clear that her diagnosis was in any way responsible for her behavior toward him. Some people with DID have other problems as well.


Una, April 13, 2011 wrote:I agree that DID does not appear to be heritable in a genetic sense, but there is plenty of solid evidence that it can be transmitted from one generation to the next. Trauma begets trauma. Self-awareness, and intervention, goes a long, long way toward stopping the re-enactment of abuse and neglect.


Una, April 18, 2011 wrote:OP: The fact that you have not seen clear evidence of your mother's DID could mean she is making it up, or she really does have DID but your home life has been a safe environment for her.

I have DID, identified in middle age but present since childhood. My husband has not seen it, but I have experienced it. I have heard a voice in my head. I have been "flooded" with "made" memories and thoughts and feelings. I have had my body taken over in moments of extreme threat, and by an alter who spoke directly to my therapist. And DID explains several instances of strangers who insist they know me, and other peculiar events that are consistent with my having periods of absence spanning minutes or hours. I think my husband has not seen evidence of my DID simply because he is safe. I am most fully myself with him, and he does not trigger me. My husband has seen much evidence that I use various forms of dissociation to cope with all manner of severe life stresses. My DID came to light when I encountered someone who does trigger me.


Una, January 5, 2012 wrote:One of my children certainly has the ability to develop DID but as far as I know I have been a good enough mother and this child was not fragmented. We are alert to signs of trouble. The Child DES score is low. Richard Kluft's studies of DID in families suggest that the presence of just one healthy parent is a protective factor, and my husband is healthy so that is good.

I was fragmented at the hands my own parents. But I recognize that both of them are very damaged by the severe trauma (including abuse) and neglect experienced in their own childhoods. The more I look into my family history, the more horrors I find. It goes back generations, and that means it also extends laterally to first and second and perhaps also third cousins. Dozens, perhaps even hundreds of people just in my own family tree are today suffering the effects of patterns of child abuse that began generations ago.

We cannot undo the past but we can profoundly alter the future. My own children will not carry DID forward with them into their own families and if I can help it nor will their cousins.


Una, January 09, 2012 wrote:I am sure children do notice, and in the absence of direct explanations from their parents they make up theories to explain what they notice. And typically their theories do involve them being somehow responsible. So, I am open with my children about the fact that I have strange thoughts and feelings and sometimes behavior too, and to get better I spend a lot of time reading and thinking and going off to talk to a kind of doctor called a therapist. I reassure them that if sometimes I don't answer when they talk to me, I am not doing it on purpose and it isn't because they did anything wrong.


Una, May 14, 2012 wrote:[OP], many of us are not only people with DID but also children of people with DID. We do not minimize the collateral damage to families that can result from undiagnosed, untreated DID.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:20 am

Someone in my system sometimes messes with me! Sometimes they will turn off my alarm clock that I set specially or "not hear" the telephone ring or "forget" the fact that I made a firm date with someone. All I can say when "I" do that is "Sorry, sorry, sorry. I am so sorry. I don't know what happened. I spaced it! I didn't mean to!"

I don't know what part turns off the alarm clock or why, other than perhaps the body is tired. I keep the clock on the far side of the room; the distance seems to minimize how often this happens. Other people have seen me doing this. I have been seen to get out of bed, go across the room, turn off the alarm, and get back in bed. Then when the witness wakes me or I wake on my own (much later, ahem) I have no idea what happened to the alarm. When I wake up by myself after "I" have turned off the alarm, usually I find myself in a state of panic.

A lot of this stuff falls under the heading of dissociative amnesia, and sometimes it gets me into trouble. Sometimes it gets me into situations with people that I would not choose to be in if I had all the data available to my system. I have become alert to any "anomalous" data because so often that is my first clue I am missing important information.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Wed May 29, 2013 2:39 am

A full month has passed since my previous post in this thread. On the therapy front we seem to have stalled badly. There is a lot of anxiety and crying going on inside. On the outside life has been hectic and stressful too. I am thinking again about doing a short inpatient or intensive outpatient program at one of the hospitals that has a specialized trauma and dissociation unit. My main objective would be to help Alter 4, the one who is trapped behind the amnesia barrier.
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