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Does God hate us??

Postby paraphiliac187 » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:19 am

Haven't all of us asked ourselves this at some point? Isn't it a real possibilty that if there really is a God, that he could in fact hate a small percentage of the population. I've felt for a long time that God puts some people here just to make an example of them, so others can look at them and say,"at least I'm not that guy." Take pedophiles, I mean who in their right mind would want to be like that and have those impulses. I know life isn't fair and we aren't all created equal but what the ###$? The bible tells the story of Jobe who had his family killed and crops wiped out just so God could prove to satan that Jobe loved him unconditionally not just because he was blessd with more than most. Yes he did get it all back after the point was made but does that make it ok? Because we have high points in our lives like having children and the occasional fantasy come true does that make up for a lifetime of torture and impure thoughts that in most cases usually leads to our lives being ruined in some sense. Sometimes I think I only believe in God so I can blame him for making me the way i am. How could someone who's supposed to be our shepard and savior make us into monsters and deviants who are looked upon as ###$ up creeps and outcasts. Homosexuals, sadists, nechrophiliacs, and all the rest of us don't deserve to be like this. Am I the only one who feels like this? Am I crazy to believe that our possible creator could actually be no better than even the worst of us that he put on this earth?
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Postby Ryn89 » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:29 pm

Howdy, i can definetly see where your coming from. I personally believe in God, i do believe without the natural sexual impulses i experienced i would not be in the state i am today, at the moment my life is no more than a living hell, a struggle everyday to motivate myself, i feel bad about my past, i know i wouldnt be this way if i hadnt experienced the desires/urges i did, so i guess you could say why would God give us these experiences?? i have thought about that recently. On the other hand i guess i blame myself for not having self control, sometimes life is too hard to have that self control, for me anyway.

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Postby paraphiliac187 » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:32 pm

I agree we need to control our impulses but we should have them to begin with. It's not fair some people get to live a normal life and others don't. I blame God. Right or wrong we shouldn't have to make a decision like should I want to have sex with kids or is that not ok? Pisses me off everytime I think about it. How about everyone else.
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Postby Lostson » Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:42 am

I asked that question several times in my life and it was always answered the same way, silence. Sure if you want someone blame a higher power fills that but why would you want to? Why blame yes I am this way for no better reason than for people like Butterfly Faerie to look down there noses at or to say I am better than them. I personally believe I am God and so are you and so is everyone else. We design or own reality’s and part of mine is to be a pedophile necrophiliac I got to live this way and it isn’t pretty but it is my reality. Until one day I am cured or I die perhaps just to be reborn to live a new life. Blaming God isn’t going to make me feel any better just my thoughts. :D :)
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Point taken

Postby paraphiliac187 » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:04 am

I see what you mean but it's not just about paraphilia. Cancer, birth defects, babies dying, it's all #######4 and I look to the highest authority to take the rap. I don't believe I'm God but I do believe hell is on earth and we all go to a better place. Hell couldn't possibly be as hard as life when you consider all we are put through only to die. No one should have to endure what you or I or anyone else here goes through. I need to hold someone responsible to help me get through my day because I know i didn't do this to myself. If someone killed my family I would hold that person responsible if there was nothing I could do. So I hold God accountable for me and you and all of us. We thank god when things go our way, but when things go sideways where the ###$ is he?
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Postby S3 » Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:15 am

I hadn't read this thread until I saw it brought up recently in another. I'll share what I've experienced with respect to faith in God. I'm happy to answer questions as the answer I have is incomplete, but I hope that you'll think my lengthy writing is worth the effort of reading for the value of the information I attempt to convey. On the other hand, maybe I'm nuts to expect anyone to read all of this. It's hard enough to phrase a good answer to a good question, but to respond to all of the questions that then arise from any given answer, things quickly become, well, I don't want to say complicated. I mean the most eloquent and knowledgeable are often confounded when faced with explaining the most pure and simple truth. At this point I think it's important to start by saying that believing without "seeing" is necessary sometimes. This is hardly the beginning of what I'd like to tell you, but it's important nonetheless. Also, I write what I write for the sake of the truly curious, not for the sake of contention or to prove anyone right or wrong.

In the past, despite my faith, I have wondered whether or not God is responsible for everything that's wrong with the world. There is a common misconception about God, which is that, being all powerful and all understanding, God must hate us because he chooses not to compel all of his creation to be perfect. Right away, the first thing I think is that true happiness can only exist when we choose to live for it. I don't think it can be forced on us whether or not we're perfect. Of course, the very existence of happiness means that there must be unhappiness. If we are free to choose happiness, then unhappiness must be an option as well. Why would anyone choose not to be happy? Simply put, there are many lures and distractions throughout life, as we all know, and there's often much confusion about which path will lead to happiness. Some people are weaker or in worse circumstances than others in certain ways, and, in order to reconcile this fact with the idea that God is just, we have to accept that he knows more about us and our eternal nature than we do.

Things I've learned about the true nature of God have come to me over years of study, prayer, and diligent practice of my religion. As a young child I was raised Buddhist. Specifically, I was a member of the Sokka Gakkai branch of Buddhism. My mother nurtured my spirituality by teaching me basic principles, and she introduced me to the concept of a higher power and explained that some believe in one god. I wasn't interested in this one god throughout most of my childhood. I thought that it was presumptuous to believe in one being who could have created everything. Everything is infinite, and in order to create everything you'd have to first conceive everything, and that alone I still cannot fathom. I've since accepted that the immutable nature, infinite knowledge, and omnipotence of God is something I must take on faith, but at least I can say that I've never found any true evidence contrary to these propositions.

I grew up under the significant stress of being born to a 15 year-old girl whose lover bailed. I was unconsoled by my mother's belief system and confused about where my consciousness came from, where I was going, and why I was here. I taught myself something akin to praying without knowing anything about prayer. I didn't know to what or to whom I was addressing my questions, but I pondered aloud and silently the meaning of my existence until one day I felt something speak to me more powerfully than anything I'd ever encountered. I can't accurately compare the feeling to anything that may be experienced through the 5 senses. It was a combination of many potent emotions: love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, trust, acceptance, safety, and desire to do good. I didn't know how or why at the time, but I knew that the message I received from the missionaries that taught me was really truly the answer to everything I'd asked for so long.

The message they shared began with the identity of God and took place over the course of several weeks. My heart was open thanks to the spirit that moved me whenever they taught, (the feeling I described), and I left behind my prejudice against the unfathomability of God as the creator of everything. They confirmed to me that God is all powerful and all knowing, but I was also informed that he is ultimately perfectly just and fair with every one of us, and that he loves us with a pure and perfect love. Each soul is one of his spiritual progeny, not simply his plaything, but an actual heir or heiress to his kingdom. I learned that we ourselves have the potential to rise to the same level as our creator, our Father in heaven, so to speak, and that life in these trying circumstances as mortals is one of the essential steps in the divine plan for our eternal progress. I found out that death and sin have been conquered for each of us. I learned about the consequences of selfishness and pride and the necessity of a change of heart and deeds for good when we err. I learned about essential covenants tied to symbolic rituals performed with divine authority, such as baptism, and I learned about ways to remain steady on the path of true and lasting happiness. There was more that they taught me, and I didn't doubt any of it as long as I felt the Spirit confirm what they said.

This is the background I come from. Since then I've had trials, like everyone does, but I believe that the opposition we face exists for our experience and benefit and will be overcome if we endure faithfully, even if we have to endure it our whole life long.

The doctrine I adhere to teaches that there is a state of extreme suffering after death for those who focused only on themselves during mortality, and there is mercy and joy for those who sought to do the best they could with whatever spiritual truth they had been given in life. That state of suffering, hell, isn't endless, but it will feel that way to those who die in denial of the often difficult principles of sacrifice, humility, and charity. There's a better place free from the trials of life for the unrighteous to go to when they're one day resurrected after their suffering. That place is at least 1000 times better than this mortality, yet it pales like starlight in the sun when compared with the reward the righteous will have. Such an end doesn't seem indicative of a hateful god to me. The suffering of the wicked before the rescue is only due to their perfectly self-conscious state, it isn't some metaphysical vengeance from God.
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Postby YarlSoutan » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:22 pm

The answer is simple. There is no God. Only the law of genetics. As we are born, the blueprints for the people we shall become are laid out. Our control over reality is an illusion. Our neurons will fire and our brain will behave as it is programmed regardless of what we do. The choices we make, the beliefs we have, the way we view the world, it is all predetermined by our genetics and our past expeirences. We are on a train, going in one direction, no way off and no way to escape. It will always arrive at death. Always.
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wow

Postby paraphiliac187 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:28 am

You hit that one right on the head. I'm glad someone else sees it the way I do. We are who we are and God is the illusion of something beyond ourselves so when we don't want to deal with the reality that is our living hell we have something to turn to and say well I guess that's the way he wanted it. I don't by it, but if there really is a God, I think he must hate some of us.
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Postby S3 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:51 pm

That reminds me of experiments I used to try on myself to test "fate." I'd thought to myself as a kid about the philosophy you described, that everything, including our choices, is predetermined. I asked myself if I could disprove it. It always made perfect sense logically when I was little, but the idea never sat well with me. What I used to do was, in the middle of walking someplace or doing something, no matter how urgent, I would catch myself and start walking the opposite direction, do something entirely different, or do nothing at all. It was silly of course, and I amused myself doing it more than I actually learned anything from it. I still do it on rare occasion though I know it proves nothing.

While I understand your beliefs, I think there's no way to prove or disprove fate. From the quantum level on down things seem almost chaotic, and all of science turns strictly to theory, just like religion really. We see results that confirm our beliefs in my faith much like chemists see results from following the atomic theory. I guess I choose to believe in free-will because, whether or not I'm right, I feel more capable of someday attaining ideals in life that are currently out of my reach.
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Postby YarlSoutan » Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:42 pm

Fate is a biased word. Life will happen as it will happen no matter what we do. If we decided to go out and kill everyone in a bloodly rampage, it was unevitable. The event would occur, with no one to blame, not even your parents for giving you life. Because their parents had given then genes which would make them give you life no matter what, and so on. Regret nothing, fear nothing, and do not resist the inevitable march of time.
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