Does God hate us??

echidna1000 wrote:Maybe God's a sociopath and doesn't actually care what any of you do, as long as it's entertaining.

paraphiliac187 wrote:Haven't all of us asked ourselves this at some point? Isn't it a real possibilty that if there really is a God, that he could in fact hate a small percentage of the population. I've felt for a long time that God puts some people here just to make an example of them, so others can look at them and say,"at least I'm not that guy." Take pedophiles, I mean who in their right mind would want to be like that and have those impulses. I know life isn't fair and we aren't all created equal but what the ###$? The bible tells the story of Jobe who had his family killed and crops wiped out just so God could prove to satan that Jobe loved him unconditionally not just because he was blessd with more than most. Yes he did get it all back after the point was made but does that make it ok? Because we have high points in our lives like having children and the occasional fantasy come true does that make up for a lifetime of torture and impure thoughts that in most cases usually leads to our lives being ruined in some sense. Sometimes I think I only believe in God so I can blame him for making me the way i am. How could someone who's supposed to be our shepard and savior make us into monsters and deviants who are looked upon as ###$ up creeps and outcasts. Homosexuals, sadists, nechrophiliacs, and all the rest of us don't deserve to be like this. Am I the only one who feels like this? Am I crazy to believe that our possible creator could actually be no better than even the worst of us that he put on this earth?

Pedophilia is the sickest form of all sexuality (sorry if I offend those who suffer from it involuntarily), yet the Holy Bible does not mention that. I think that makes a clear hint on whether the Holy Bible is opinionated or not; and take similars. The whole Abrahamic Religion appears to spout false and contradictory texts. I do not say yes or no to the existence of God, but I do not believe in 'Abraham', however I remain Agnostic, as I keep to the traditions, and enjoy them, for example, Christmas and Easter.

I've been working on erotic zoophilia for a long time, and yet no avail as to how non-deviant interactions, where cruelty does not exist, is in any shape or form, wrong.

I myself am actually zoophile, but I studied zoophilia amongst other paraphilias in my line of research in my lifetime of human-to-human contact; hence I do put forwards my old thoughts as a non-zoophile, and first-hand as an actual zoophile. Although I can't say so much about paralell-to-norm sexual orientations of the polysexual form, including all paraphilias and fetishes, because I have not experienced them first-hand; however I can quite easily put my hand up in versatile discretion towards the boundaries of zoosexuality, as a 62 year-old homophilic zoophilic zoosexual, Anglo-Dutch man.

Regards,
James

JamesDSmith wrote:Pedophilia is the sickest form of all sexuality (sorry if I offend those who suffer from it involuntarily)

If there is a God... at least he gives us constant reminders to 'behave' to go along with the affliction...

Though I have to say, it doesn't really matter if those of us (pedophiles) are offended by such words. In society (particularly Western society) the feelings of a pedophile doesn't amount to much, and that's ok, I for one have come to expect this and accept it. Yet, I see an opportunity for hatred, stereotypes, and all kinds of bigotry to develop and wreak havoc on non-offending pedophiles. The man who imagines murdering his boss is considered to be influenced by a 'stressful moment' that may pass on its own... whereas those who imagine (not act on mind you) sexual scenarios with children within the privacy of their own thoughts are encouraged to come forth and be 'treated.' Although, there are those who act on the urges, who offend, who hurt children... there is a little is known larger percentage who have such thoughts but never act on them --- those who are a threat to no one throughout their life. Are they to be condemned for crimes they have never committed merely because the thoughts of those who have offended resemble their own? Is this truly fair? To be judged for what you may do... for what you could do?

I understand the argument, saving a child is worth the restriction of someone else's life... but where are the lines drawn? How much restriction is enough... and how much is too much? I fear for my future, in that I may never hurt a child yet live like a criminal regardless. Sympathy about how 'sick' I am is poor consolation... if I behave and do not ever give into these urges, then all I ask is to have a normal life, and be treated with respect --- just like any other law-abiding citizen.

To take a normal person and thrust such a strange and dangerous sexual deviance upon them is cruel enough. To take such a cursed person and have them be held in higher contempt then even murderers in the eyes of their peers is beyond torture --- no distintion made between those who hurt and those who do not. No, I can’t see any God being capable of such cruelty towards the things he creates and supposedly ‘loves.’

We are undoubtedly alone...

I've been away for a while so hello to all who missed me. Neuling I agree that if God loved us he wouldn't do this to us and that's my point of saying he hates us. I was recently divorced because I couldn't control my urges, and now I'm left alone to my urges that grow stronger everyday. He took Jobe's livestock, family and health just to prove a point. Woul you let your kid get hit by a car to make them stay away from the road? I wouldn't.

It seems poor logic to insist that if God exists he must be responsible for all evil, and it seems equally senseless to say that God, if he is fair and loving, must take away all choice to do evil or make us perfect without letting us put forth any effort.

We have the choice to believe that happiness is possible, or not. If not, then nothing matters and what in life is of any real value?? But if you believe real lasting happiness is possible, then there seems to be no way to justify any effort of attaining it other than to believe in a benevolent higher power. Why assume that happiness is supposed to be so easy or that it can ever be forced on you? Would it be true happiness if it were forced, or would it be worth having if it took so little effort to attain?

I stopped believing in god since I lost my natural sexuality.
Few more things I stopped: hearing music, being happy, act normally and all symptoms of deep-long depression.

If there is a god, then he made those paraphilias in us, which makes me hate him.

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I don't believe in any gods. But if I'm wrong and there is a God, I thinks his activity was restricted to initiating the big bang. If there was a loving, benevelont God who took an active role in human affairs, I can't imagine why he'd "punish" an impoverished Haiti as Pat Robertson said, rather than say... Dropping a large asteroid on the Nazi leadership in the late 30's and preventing the deaths of millions upon millions of Jews and Soviets.

If God does exist (and I believe he doesn't) I expect he would feel pity and compassion for us rather than hatred. Or at least he should, if he's the loving God Christians crack him up to be.

Assume God exists, is all powerful, that he is the literal father of our souls, and that he is constantly concerned with each individual son/daughter's past, present, and all possible futures. Would it take more love for a parent to force his children to become what he wants them to be, or to let them make their own decisions, to possibly fail, and to decide their own fate? I think it's the ultimate testament to God's love that he allows us to struggle rather than protect us from our trials. Though it may not seem like it, I believe God does intervene on our behalf quite a bit. He never gives us more than we can endure, including paraphilia, though we may bring on ourselves a worse situation depending on how we choose to act, and we alone are responsible for the consequences of our actions. We have weakness so that we can learn to be humble. Without humility we cannot be saved. Perfection alone can't give us what God wants us to have, but if we could be humble despite being perfect, I think that God would give us perfection and take away most of our trials. That's simply not the case however. This may be falling on deaf ears, but hopefully it helps someone to understand.

YarlSoutan wrote:The answer is simple. There is no God. Only the law of genetics. As we are born, the blueprints for the people we shall become are laid out. Our control over reality is an illusion. Our neurons will fire and our brain will behave as it is programmed regardless of what we do. The choices we make, the beliefs we have, the way we view the world, it is all predetermined by our genetics and our past expeirences. We are on a train, going in one direction, no way off and no way to escape. It will always arrive at death. Always.

You don't have to believe in Jehovah (God of the Bible) or a god from other faiths to not believe in a Creator (of some form). There's an inherent flaw in your thinking there: If the earth's rotation tilted 2 degrees towards the sun, it would be too hot to support life; 2 degrees away, and the earth would be too cold to support life. I'm talking about a barren, frozen wasteland versus living in an active volcano.

There are more gears, brakes, fluid types, actions of combustion, circuits, and wires contained inside a single-celled organism than the most advanced space craft ever built. A single strand of DNA contains more information than the entire Internet. Yes, we're only 14 genes away from other creatures such as chimps, but that's like saying we're only 2,500,000 light-years away from the Andromeda galaxy. When engineers study biology, they are amazed at how similar the two areas of study are and almost none of them believe that there wasn't some form of Creator.

When talking about within our genetics, you mentioned the word "blueprints". That's like saying the blueprints to the Empire State Building had no artist; they're just there, and all the building materials just happened and behold, the Empire State Building just is without purpose, no designer, and no creator. If that sounds ridiculous to you, then explain how comparing the construction of that building to a virus is like comparing the bow and arrow (building) to the modern tank (virus) in sheer complexity is not ridiculous.

You also mentioned something similar that is an exact parallel to a "program". And to say that life evolved from basic things without help is like saying the binary code in a calculator evolved into a DOS program on a home computer, and DOS evolved into Windows version 1.0, and that evolved into Windows 95, 2000, Vista, and eventually we have today Windows 7, that the keyboard grew out a touch-screen mouse that detached by itself through selective processes into the first mouse, the balled mouse grew with Windows 95 and by the time Vista came along, it had adapted into an optical mouse, and with Windows 7 became a laser mouse.

All fields of science point to Someone or something that designed us. Laws made for society aren't just there, they are produced and thought up by someone and are enforced. People of mystical belief or religion call the breaking of a law a "miracle".




Now I pose a question to everyone. If you lived in a world where everything was set at 72 degrees F, would you understand the difference between hot and cold? No matter what you did, you never felt any type of temperature change. The short answer is "no". You wouldn't know that you were living in a nice, warm/cool temperature because you didn't know that heat exists or cold exists to make an unpleasant experience.

If God made everything perfect, how would we know? We wouldn't. According to the Bible, He gave man a decision and knew that man was going to decide wrongly. People have heard of the Adam and Eve story but overlook that it was written as the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, not the Tree of Evil. Upon eating that fruit, man came to realize that there was such a thing as evil in his disobedience.

Now a lot of religions believe a lot of things, and many more act upon the Bible. But only Christianity (no other belief system in the world) recognizes two things:

1. That all men are evil. There isn't good in any one. Everyone is born with selfishness as part of their genetic coding. Babies are evil: they want and desire things and cry to get them. (But also know that babies don't know that either.)

2. The point from #1 is that there is nothing we can do to reach the eternal paradise. All other religions have rituals or practices that you perform to earn the paradise. Only Christianity recognizes that our sin nature is a nature, not an action. Yes, we pedophiles might never have touched a child or brought harm to anyone, but it is part of a sinful nature; the same for anyone who desires or wants money and never steals, or someone else's wife and never have sex with her. The sin isn't the action, it's mindset.

3. That the God of their faith Loved the world so much that He came down to suffer and die on a cross, because there is no greater way to show such Love. The infinite, eternal supreme being of the universe, who made and designed everything looks down on the human that rebels and hates Him and despite what the man does, died for him anyway. It is unconditional Love because it isn't selfish. God doesn't Love people because anything. No ifs, ands, or buts. There's absolutely nothing you can do that God will hate someone.

4. That, when accepting this and invite Jesus (God, Who is unconditional Love incarnate), the person becomes a Christian, and their life is changed. They aren't obligated to do anything; they have a secondary nature non-Christians lack: unconditional Love (in their heart). They are able to live counter to the programmed nature of humans, forgiving enemies, sacrificing their possessions and lives for someone who hates them, to even forgive a spouse who cheated on them or a molester who abused them.


If someone raped and murdered my children, burned down my house and all my possessions, falsely accused me of it and threw me in prison for several decades, and later as I'm struggling to survive in an apartment I see that same man hungry, thirsty, and homeless, I will take him into my apartment, and give him my food, my water, my clothes, and my bed because I Love him. No religion in the world would recognize that. Because nobody but a Christian is capable of this, it is our proof, miracle so-to-speak that God does exist.

Until then, the best I can do is forgive people who falsely accuse me and criticize me.



5. This point is obscured, but Hell is not a place designed to torment or punish. It isn't a fiery ring of death and decay. It isn't the place where demons rule and poke people with pitchforks. Hell is only described as a comparison to fire; but all ideals concerning Hell in the Bible point to a strong desire, like a passion one cannot obtain. Hell is the place of no God. Everything, from cooling darkness and warmth, to anything and everything you like, even if it is pain, does not exist in Hell because it isn't there. No pleasure at all because that comes from God. Hell is the place for people who reject God and don't want Him. "You don't want Me?" God says, "Fine, if you don't want Me, then go to a place where I don't exist in any shape or form."

(People also confuse Hades and Hell.)



Does Yahweh (Jehovah) hate us? No. Other gods might and the God you envision probably does, but that is not the God of the Christians.



A great deal (too many) Christians believe that our paraphilias will "go away" when we become Christians, including chief among their claims, homosexuality. That isn't true. I didn't become a pedophile until years after I became a Christian. In fact, what I call the peak of my Christian life is when I became attracted to young girls. Becoming a Christian doesn't remove the human nature attached to our flesh and bones; it only replaces it with a Loving one to fight with it.

So as far as I see, it's a battle between Loving children and resisting, or being selfish and indulging in pornography or being a peeping tom (or down the road, worse). But for most of us, fear of the law and the violent temper of society keeps us in place.