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May be a genetic predisposition?..

Postby AndreiCo » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:19 pm

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In this month i found out interesting news about my grandmother. She is far away, we not communicate last years at all, she is 80+ years old. My mother and aunt are looks after her. And now i found out that grandmother have DID symptoms: sometimes have other name, different age, amnesia, disorientations. But all alters (if my guess right) is normally thinking, good communicate with my mother and my aunt. Now they are going to send grandmother to an asylum. This make me sad because i know that asylum is death sentence. But she is old enough, its ok.
Ok, main point of this topic. My grandmother only have daughters, my mother have only one child. May be DID genetic predisposition in the Y-chromosome and transmitted through women to next generation? And if I or Creative can conceive a daughter - she can easily take a DID too?.. Has there been any research on this?
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Re: May be a genetic predisposition?..

Postby ViTheta » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:13 pm

Yes and no.

There is a genetic predisposition to dissociation as a coping mechanism that is often tied in with autism spectrum disorder. It still has to be cooked in the oven of extreme trauma in order to become anything more than dissociation. I know we read about it recently.

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Re: May be a genetic predisposition?..

Postby Triskelion » Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:21 pm

There is a genetic factor for developing several disorders but DID remains a trauma disorder. Without trauma, it won't develop.

Also if something transfers through the Y-chromosome, daughters can't get it. Chromosome wise (not looking at any other gender factors because technically none of us are 100% one gender according to the biology of it all), females are XX and males are XY. Something that is passed down on the Y chromosome can therefore only be passed down from father to son.

I'm sorry for what's going on with your grandmother though.

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Re: May be a genetic predisposition?..

Postby ArbreMonde » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:20 am

There are genetic predispositions to dissociation but like the others said, DID is trauma related.

BUT what counts as trauma for DID is more often than not related to attachment issues and the attachments issues go from generation to generation. If the parents / caretakers dissociate and/or are unable to form a safe attachment with their child due to their own DID or other trauma, the child will develop dissociation in response and can develop DID. You will find articles on the subject linked in >> this post <<

Nothing to do with chromosomes. Also, the sexual chromosomes are less magical than you think and have less to do with sex than you think. As an example they contain a lot of genes related to the eyes. As an example there is a Y chromosome dependant variant of >> Retinitis pigmentosa <<. In cats, they also contain genes for fur color, which is why >> only female cats or intersex male cats can have the tortoiseshell coloration <<. There is only ONE gene sex-related on the sexual chromosomes and that is the >> SRY gene << coding for the production of testosterone in the foetus. This is the ONLY thing that will make the difference between a baby born with female phenotype or male phenotype. And it's not the exclusive gene coding for that: genes related to the >> sensitivity to the hormones are in action too << and depending on the combination of factors it can lead to a wide range of intersexuations. >> This wikipdia article << contains a fair amount of informations on the subject as well as the debate around how to define intersex - usually doctors have a way stricter definition than the people who fight for intersex human rights. As an example, human rights activists include me among the intersex people because I faced discriminations and medical mistreatment due to my >> hormone imbalances << while doctors say I'm not intersex because my chromosomes are consistent with my assigned at birth sex. Which has nothing to do with me being trans btw, that's another can of worms. :P
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Re: May be a genetic predisposition?..

Postby ViTheta » Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:06 pm

ArbreMonde wrote:There are genetic predispositions to dissociation but like the others said, DID is trauma related.

BUT what counts as trauma for DID is more often than not related to attachment issues and the attachments issues go from generation to generation. If the parents / caretakers dissociate and/or are unable to form a safe attachment with their child due to their own DID or other trauma, the child will develop dissociation in response and can develop DID. You will find articles on the subject linked in >> this post <<


To give an example, our sister pieced together that our mom very likely had either DID or OSDD. This made it very hard for her to form healthy attachments to her children; however, because our system's body (for clarity) was assigned male at birth, our dad found it impossible to form any bonds with his 'son'. Between that and the various external traumas suffered by our system, we developed DID; however, our mom did tell us that we were already predisposed to 'going on walkabout' when we were stressed.

ArbreMonde wrote:As an example, human rights activists include me among the intersex people because I faced discriminations and medical mistreatment due to my >> hormone imbalances << while doctors say I'm not intersex because my chromosomes are consistent with my assigned at birth sex. Which has nothing to do with me being trans btw, that's another can of worms. :P


Thought I'd interject this into here, but there's growing evidence that those who have to transition have a myriad of physiological reasons to do so including evidence that the brain map for someone who transitions bears all or most of the hallmarks of the brain map of the sex opposite that which they were born.

This fact can add a layer of trauma due to the disconnect between the body and the brain map.

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Re: May be a genetic predisposition?..

Postby ArbreMonde » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:08 pm

ViTheta wrote:Thought I'd interject this into here, but there's growing evidence that those who have to transition have a myriad of physiological reasons to do so including evidence that the brain map for someone who transitions bears all or most of the hallmarks of the brain map of the sex opposite that which they were born.

This fact can add a layer of trauma due to the disconnect between the body and the brain map.

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Brain map I agree with you. I just wanted to clarify that my PKOS did not cause me to be trans and there is a lot of women with PKOS who are happy to be women. It just so happens that some intersex right activists say that people with PKOS go through medical abuse and shenanigans that are akin to what poeple "assigned intersex at birth" go through therefore, same issues same activist umbrella. (But we're going a bit away form the original subject here.)

A lot of my DID can be traced back to traumas related to gender dysphoria and generic transphobia / cisnormativity though. Had to dissociate to bear with it all. Now that I'm medically transitionning, my dissociation is "magically" healing - at least the parts caused specifically by gender dysphoria.
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Re: May be a genetic predisposition?..

Postby Triskelion » Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:59 am

Just wanted to say thanks for the laugh Vi and Arbre.
Wrote in my post I wouldn't go into the details of biology and how nobody is born 100% one gender, and there you two go with sources and experiences. Gave me a chuckle. :) Also glad how more people are starting to see that the "only two biological genders" argument is bogus.

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Re: May be a genetic predisposition?..

Postby ArbreMonde » Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:14 pm

There is a fungus with thousands of different sexes. So yep, "only two" is bogus. Be a fongus, do crimes I guess. :mrgreen:
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Re: May be a genetic predisposition?..

Postby ViTheta » Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:49 pm

You're welcome Grey.

Yeah, there's not even two biological sexes. We were operated on when we were like 6ish hours old in order to 'fix' our outward sex. We've known several trans people who were operated on in infancy as well.

As for gender...well, that's a construct. If you take away biological sex you can't come up with a universal definition of 'man' or 'woman'. 'Men don't wear makeup!'...unless you're from these cultures. 'Women raise children!'...unless you're from these cultures here.

One thing that we've spent a lot of time chasing, btw, was the fact that our body is intersex, but no one would listen. Our T finally started to listen when we started explaining about how we have an alter (Susan) who holds onto the memories of being operated on. The doctors didn't tell our parents and didn't record any of it.

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Re: May be a genetic predisposition?..

Postby ArbreMonde » Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:02 pm

BTW to go back to gender and DID: women and people assigned women at birth are more often than their men counterparts victims of trauma. Women and assigned women therefore have higher percentages of trauma-related disorders. Including DID. Nothing to do with genes and everything to do with how society traumatizes them.

Same reasons as to why most of DID people I find online also have AD(H)D or are autistic or both: AD(H)D/autistic kids go through more trauma than the other kids.
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