SCID-D assessment

Yeah, it's about the parts, I think. I barely shared anything about them, and now apparently the clinic thinks they don't exist.

Thanks for sharing, Bejer. I know that's true for me. I am terrible at explaining myself anyway (a bit better in writing than speaking, but not a lot better) and I've practised a lot at passing as a singleton.

I live in the NL, just like you. So, supposedly one of the best countries for this stuff. I do worry that it has complicated things indeed. It basically means that no one will believe me, and if I ever have to switch Ts that could be a problem.

Floralie, the funny thing is that actually there are even more than one ANP in the system.
But still, I would be content with an OSDD diagnosis, because it comes close. And it's true that only one ANP has been active lately.

Bejer wrote:They're not exactly all the same thing. In cptsd, the parts don't have their own sense of self, for example, and in bpd dissociation is a big part of the symptoms, but the personality is integrated. There aren't parts

Yes. ^^
I told them that I hope they're right about it being a PD and C-PTSD for this reason.
They said I should work to integrate everything into "the healthy adult" - by which I presume they mean me... but I am so far from a healthy adult! LOL. Even while being ANP. I wanted to ask: "Which one do you mean? There's parts that are way more healthy than me!"
Idk. I guess I'm just a bit bitter.

Already thought you live in the NL!!! Because of how you described the clinic. Does it's name start with a T? If so, ###$ them, the reviews about that place are aweful for a very good reason. As matter of fact, all clinics have bad reviews. Stick to the gentle and nice T who takes you seriously!

I'm sorry that this experience was so intense with a #######5 outcome!!

omg yes, it does start with a T!!!!

My experiences with them were not good either. (To put it mildly!)
All I wanted was to join their group...........

Have you engaged with them before?

Thanks for caring

Holy crap:) We could've met there then, because I was on their waitinglist as well:) It didn't even come to a first appointment because the woman who dealt with the intakes was, honestly, very unfriendly/blunt (maybe it was the same one, she was horrible!), didn't respond to any of my questions about how things were going to work there (I was scared to the bones); the assistants who pick up the phone told me I would be called back three times, that she 'always does that' but this just did not happen. Cliënts are numbers over there. How about just not going there if your trauma's at léast 'contain' (emotional) neglect. And, treatmentwise, all those experts from our bible-books:) advice against (our) clinics. That's not for nothing. I truly think that these places are going to be closed down within a few years. Never read 'successtories' or anything about those.

Oh wow!
Yes, it was so weird when they wouldn't answer any of my questions!!!
Did you meet with the psychiatrist? She was the most mean to me.
And yes, I've called there at least 12 times because they just wouldn't get back to me.
Do the experts actually advise against these clinics? 'cause I thought some of them were from these clinics?
I can't say anything about their actual therapies, but this... it wasn't pretty.

Bejer wrote:They're not exactly all the same thing. In cptsd, the parts don't have their own sense of self, for example, and in bpd dissociation is a big part of the symptoms, but the personality is integrated. There aren't parts.

They are the same thing according how mind is in parts, one ANP and several EPs. If ones identity is
being one or several is a different question. So yes, the symptoms on those and how it looks like on the outside are different. But the structural dissociation is the same. Someone can be in parts, and it doesn't mean all those parts have an identity. It can also feel like having unstable (one) identity.

Healthy person: All ANP and EP-qualities are together, mind is in one part only
Simple PTSD: 1 ANP, 1 EP
Complex-PTSD, OSDD, BPD, disoerder of extreme stress: 1 ANP, multiple EPs
DID: multiple ANPs and multiple EPs

With OSDD and DID comes multiple identities.

Floralie wrote:

Bejer wrote:They're not exactly all the same thing. In cptsd, the parts don't have their own sense of self, for example, and in bpd dissociation is a big part of the symptoms, but the personality is integrated. There aren't parts.

They are the same thing according how mind is in parts, one ANP and several EPs. If ones identity is
being one or several is a different question. So yes, the symptoms on those and how it looks like on the outside are different. But the structural dissociation is the same. Someone can be in parts, and it doesn't mean all those parts have an identity. It can also feel like having unstable (one) identity.

Healthy person: All ANP and EP-qualities are together, mind is in one part only
Simple PTSD: 1 ANP, 1 EP
Complex-PTSD, OSDD, BPD, disoerder of extreme stress: 1 ANP, multiple EPs
DID: multiple ANPs and multiple EPs

With OSDD and DID comes multiple identities.

Yes, if you put it like that, that's true.
It's just that for the different diagnoses it does matter whether the parts have a sense of self.
In this case, it's clear that mine do - and yet they still think it's a PD or C-PTSD, where the parts wouldn't have that.

O vd H, who referred me to a T with unhealed DID (should we laugh or cry?:)) adviced against it, yes. Not specifically against 'T', but against treatment in those centres. Independant T's are the ones. I think every good T who comes from those places, are in fact independent because of really bad conditions there and leaving.

Don't know if she was a shrink, all I know is that she was very unfriendly. For me this is a trip of eleven hours, all together, to that place, so the plan was that I would be staying there. Meaning that I would be 'out of society' and, more important, not available for my daughter for almost a year, to begin with. Ofcourse I was scared to the bones? She was annoyed that I called three whole time with questions about that place ánd didn't respond to my mail telling them that they could put somebody else on that waitinglist but sent a letter to my doctor the very next day about closing the intake. She needs to go sell cars or something.

You know what? Good that this turned out this way; I think you wouldn't be happy in that group/place.

-- Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:10 pm --

Floralie wrote:

Bejer wrote:They're not exactly all the same thing. In cptsd, the parts don't have their own sense of self, for example, and in bpd dissociation is a big part of the symptoms, but the personality is integrated. There aren't parts.

They are the same thing according how mind is in parts, one ANP and several EPs. If ones identity is
being one or several is a different question. So yes, the symptoms on those and how it looks like on the outside are different. But the structural dissociation is the same. Someone can be in parts, and it doesn't mean all those parts have an identity. It can also feel like having unstable (one) identity.

Healthy person: All ANP and EP-qualities are together, mind is in one part only
Simple PTSD: 1 ANP, 1 EP
Complex-PTSD, OSDD, BPD, disoerder of extreme stress: 1 ANP, multiple EPs
DID: multiple ANPs and multiple EPs

With OSDD and DID comes multiple identities.

You're saying the same thing...

-- Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:15 pm --

For clarity; 'ep' does not per definition mean 'part with own sense of self'.

O vd H is very nice as a person, I've heard. I can see why he would say that.
(But I don't see how he could refer to someone like that?? Doesn't seem like a good idea).

Oh, that's far away. It sounds really scary indeed! Wow... So passive aggressive that they sent something to your Dr pretty much straight away.
& so unfriendly in general...
I sent the psychiatrist an email as feedback about how unfriendly she was to me, and her reply was that she had read it and was leaving that place so wouldn't respond.
Today they insisted on sending the "conclusion letter" to my Dr, as opposed to only sending it to my T. I am just speculating here, but it felt like a move to make sure that my Dr wouldn't believe me if I would tell him it's a dissociative disorder.

I think I am glad. I don't know who would've lead the group, but all the people I met (three in total) were like this... Selling cars is a good idea.

fireheart wrote:O vd H is very nice as a person, I've heard. I can see why he would say that.
(But I don't see how he could refer to someone like that?? Doesn't seem like a good idea).

Oh, that's far away. It sounds really scary indeed! Wow... So passive aggressive that they sent something to your Dr pretty much straight away.
& so unfriendly in general...
I sent the psychiatrist an email as feedback about how unfriendly she was to me, and her reply was that she had read it and was leaving that place so wouldn't respond.
Today they insisted on sending the "conclusion letter" to my Dr, as opposed to only sending it to my T. I am just speculating here, but it felt like a move to make sure that my Dr wouldn't believe me if I would tell him it's a dissociative disorder.

I think I am glad. I don't know who would've lead the group, but all the people I met (three in total) were like this... Selling cars is a good idea.

He didn't know. It took me more than a month to tell him (e-mailed him a few days ago) and he responded very nicely yes, and apologized for the referral. I had this 'it takes one to know one' thing going on, I think, when we saw it and asked her if she has it. I can imagine people not seeing it. But he was her supervisor once, it's still a bit strange, since he's an expert.

Insisting on sending the conclusions to your doctor is almost abusive. Hello? Privacy? Did you refuse? You can. We have laws for that, for a very good reason.

-- Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:32 pm --

Have to go now, speak to you later and what great news that you're not going to that place:)