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BPD and incest

Postby wisdom » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:59 am

CAUTION – may TRIGGER. Although its not very explicit this post covers childhood sexual abuse.

Were you, or do you suspect you may have been, a victim of any type of incest?

If you are dx BPD or feel certain you meet the diagnostic criteria, or you are a “Non” who has (or had) a very close relationship to someone with BPD take a look at the following pattern of symptoms that seem connected to how an adult personality disorder might take hold and manifest itself in adulthood, based on the experience of traumatic childhood incest.

Background and explanation why this is so challenging

When someone presents for treatment and is diagnosed with a personality disorder its not always apparent if traumatic incest occurred. The patient in many, if not most, cases will be in denial, or will have totally repressed the events. Where incest is significantly suspected the best course of treatment for the PD may need to be very different, and highly sensitized to the possible existence of that type of trauma.

Perhaps more important, in the actual treatment of prior trauma, knowing the particulars of what actually happened helps unravel a better understanding of the actual mindset of the perpetrator. Beginning clues may often be found in the specific constellation of symptoms that appear years later in adult life. For instance, sadistic and nonsadistic incest offenders have very different mindsets and leave very different footprints.

A book reviewer of Slater, A. C., Transforming trauma - A guide to understanding and treating adult survivors of child sexual abuse) wrote:
Abusers are masters of introjecting their sick thought patterns into the victim's mind, and any help at recovery must begin with teasing out that subtle "other voice" -- so subtle, the victim might not even recognize that he/she has heard it ever since the abuse.


In any intimate relationship (including adult-to-adult btw…) there is introjection. With childhood incest the exploitation and trauma can have a perverse result later in adult life, where the victim becomes the aggressor. Ejecting that aggressor back out of the adult victim, without risking the introduction of yet more trauma, is clearly a challenging therapeutic task!

Help mark out the trail a bit better if you can….

  • If BPD (dx or strongly indicated) and known incest – how well do any of these fit you?
  • If BPD (dx or strongly indicated) and unknown incest – do these suggest incest may have been a factor in your disorder? [Be careful of triggering.]
  • If BPD (dx or strongly indicated) and known for sure zero childhood incest / sexual abuse - do these patterns seem completely irrelevant to you?

Again, Nons, with very close-in knowledge, feel free to also comment on the person you know.

Incest-Related Syndromes of Adult Psychopathogy by Richard P. Kluft. Chapter 9 by Michael H Stone, M.D. wrote:
The Incest Profile

Attitudes and Personality traits
  • Anger, irritability
  • Jealousy
  • Emotional volatility
  • Mistrust suspiciousness
  • Irresponsibility, disregard for social rules and customs
  • Manipulativeness, exploitativeness
  • Seductiveness
  • Deceitfulness
  • Secretiveness
  • Coyness [artfully or affectedly shy or reserved; slyly hesitant; coquettish. ]
  • Dependency
  • Hostility
  • Low self-esteem
  • Masochism
  • Shame

Symptoms
  • Sexual dysfunction (viz., frigidity, extreme avoidance of sex; hypersexuality with nymphomania]
  • Depression, suicidal preoccupation and behavior
  • Self-mutilation
  • Impulse dyscontrol (viz., rage outbursts, substance abuse, antisocial behavior) [Episodic dyscontrol syndrome (EDS, or sometimes just dyscontrol), is a pattern of abnormal, episodic, and frequently violent and uncontrollable antisocial behavior in the absence of significant provocation]
  • Anxiety, Fearfulness
  • Dissociative tendencies (viz., psychogenic fugue, multiple personality disorder)
  • Dysmorphophohia [Body Dysmorphic Disorder - fixation on an imaginary flaw in the physical appearance. In cases in which a minor defect truly exists, the individual with body dysmorphic disorder exhibits an inordinate amount of anguish. Body dysmorphic disorder often is encountered in dermatologic and cosmetic surgery settings.]
  • Extreme avoidance of gaze
  • Nightmares

Disturbances in Object Relations
  • Distorted attitudes toward sex: a tilting toward sex as a power-mechanism or enslavement or punishment of the partner, rather than as a pleasure and bonding mechanism; occasionally, a turning away from men altogether and toward homosexual object choice (especially where offending relative was cruel or humiliating); occasionally, an avoidance of specific sexual acts indulged in by the offending relative
  • Abnormalities in intimacy with either avoidance of men or (more commonly) stormy relationships, with a tendency to choose abusive partners reminiscent of the original offending relative
  • Primacy of the dominance/submission mode in intimate relationships, with impairment in the capacity for the (more mature) mode of cooperativeness
  • Ambivalence, with a tendency to oscillate between adoration and vilification (a manifestation of "splitting")
  • Infidelity
  • Possessiveness
  • Intense loyally to abusing relative, especially to a father, with inability to form enduring attachment to any other male
  • In married women with daughters: a tendency to divorce husband when daughter reaches same age as when mother was first abused

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Re: BPD and incest

Postby AliceWonders » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:28 am

Wisdom,

I didn't realize you had this posted in the other PD forums as well. I made my responses here: post589431.html#p589431

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Re: BPD and incest

Postby bsl9408 » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:58 am

Is this part of a study or something, considering u posted it in the other PD forums.. I think it has to be approved.. and put may trigger in the title.. kinda pointless once uve already opened it to see may trigger then
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Re: BPD and incest

Postby Helle » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:52 pm

I don't like this post.
I need some meaning I can memorize,
The kind I have always seems to slip my mind
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Re: BPD and incest

Postby AliceWonders » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:29 pm

You guys don't know Wisdom and he's an excellent poster with a lot of knowledge on PD's (BPD especially) so don't be rude.

If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, or something beneficial to say- just glaze over the post and leave it be.

His post was clearly marked:
wisdom wrote:CAUTION – may TRIGGER. Although its not very explicit this post covers childhood sexual abuse.
& ontop of that it was light and skilfully presented to minimize any potential for triggering.
He's not researching anything, he's looking for corrilations between childhood sexual abuse and PD's- something that can help us in our treatment. Check his posts and see how many people he has helped in this place. He is a caring and inspiring man who gives the forum some of his little (& pressious) time to benefit US with his experience and knowledge.


This is a man who has many of the answers we seek within ourselves...
Would you honestly push the gentle hand that can guide us to wellness away because you didn't like his post?

Think BEFORE you act.
See for yourself who he is and what he's done for so many people here, and be greatful he's returned to the forum at all. Your curt opinions and selfishness could cost many others the valuable help this man can give.
In essence- you're only hurting yourselves here...



Wisdom, I am so gald to see you back asking questions to better understand the disordered mind, and the process of how we came to be the way we are. Knowing what caused this, gives us the best veiw at it's reversal! :D I see where you're going with this, even if others don't :wink:
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Re: BPD and incest

Postby wisdom » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:03 am

Everyone interested in the original post here: BPD and incest
I'm going to consolidate things and move forward with that in the HPD forum only.
Here===>HPD forum
If you are BPD female with real/suspected history of incest you are most welcome to post there.

RE: is this a study?
No just doing background / secondary research activity only - no primary research - really just a warm up activity. No, I'm not a psych professional.

Sorry didn't put trigger in subject line. Did get it disclosed right at the top and the subject line did includ incest.. If you found it the original post triggering you will likely NOT want to read the follow ons in the above link which take it a healthy notch deeper.

Alice - Thanks for the nice notes. Will ref your post on AsPD forum from the above so we don't loose it. Sounds like you and Beth make a great team and you really hone in on things.

OK - See anyone who wants to follow up in the above link above going forward.
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Re: BPD and incest

Postby bsl9408 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:08 am

didnt trigger me, just thinking of others on here that it may have to prevent them being hurt and going ballistic at u

and we arent being rude Alice..
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Re: BPD and incest

Postby Helle » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:53 am

What Brooke said, we weren't being nasty at all.

But it did trigger me, and I got depressed. Therefore, I said I didnt like this post.

Its a sh*t post because it makes me feel like sh*t. Thats all.
I need some meaning I can memorize,
The kind I have always seems to slip my mind
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Re: BPD and incest

Postby ireneadler999 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:49 am

ouch, yes. it pretty much all applies.
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Re: BPD and incest

Postby Twistedmister » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:58 am

Who says they have nothing to add?


I thought they added just fine.........perhaps you have trouble finding what is or isn't beneficial, but some of us find beneficial things everywhere.

If you want to win points with Wisdom, don't do it at the expense of others. (LOL.....i almost said that with a straight face)
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