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Postby Ikari Shinji » Fri May 16, 2008 4:13 pm

Hey, this is exactly what we were talking about in another threat called: Welcome to the NHK. We mentioned some characters that seem avoidant like there and we came to the conclusion that there isn't many which is very unfortunate. Aside from the ones mentioned in that other topic there IS one character that does come to mind. His name is Juan Pablo Castel and he is the main character of a very popular classic book of hispanic literature called El Tunel (The Tunnel). He has very strong avoidant/schizoid tendencies and the story is about how he falls in love, obsesses and finally kills a woman becuase of a percieved connection with her. It is a great book unfortunately I don't know if it has been translated into english, I read it in its original language. Also here is a link to the wikipedia page if you want to know more about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_T%C3%BAnel

Oh and by the way, welcome to this forums another shinji, now we have two shinjis!
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Postby Sun_Girl » Sat May 17, 2008 3:10 am

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Being as he isn't a leading role, this doesn't count for much.

There must be more? Personally, I think avoidants, loners, recluses, blah blah are.... externally dull and internally fascinating. You know what I mean? The lack of avoidant characters is neither surprise nor is not a surprise. Our lives tend to be dull and uneventful (boring), but we tend to have thoughts and feelings other don't have (can be interesting in a way).
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Postby Nightspore » Mon May 19, 2008 2:58 am

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Postby CriminallyVulgar » Mon May 19, 2008 3:22 am

I don't think I have ever recognized AVPD in a fictional character except for Shini Ikari in Evangelion. That one is just blatently obvious for anyone familiar with AVPD.


When I was younger the first rpg I ever played was Final Fantasy 8 and I really connected with the main character, Squall. When I was younger my AVPD wasn't as bad, I was pretty much just shy. Anyway Squall is like the definition of a loner and I really loved his character and his attidute. In the game his most frequent line is "..." Hard and cold, abandoned as a child. Open yourself up and you get hurt, that kind of thing. The plot in the game is mainly a romance too, he meets a girl who pretty much forces her self on him and tears down his walls and teaches him to love. Awwwww.... lol right? I liked it. In the one scene she tells him that he has missed out on everything that is good in life. I kind of feel that way.
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Postby Ikari Shinji » Mon May 19, 2008 1:47 pm

I don't think I have ever recognized AVPD in a fictional character except for Shini Ikari in Evangelion. That one is just blatently obvious for anyone familiar with AVPD


Shinji is obviously an avoidant, and what's more interesting is that Hideaki Anno, the director, based him directly on himself before he overcame his depression, meaning that he probably had avoidant tendencies himself.

When I was younger the first rpg I ever played was Final Fantasy 8 and I really connected with the main character, Squall. When I was younger my AVPD wasn't as bad, I was pretty much just shy. Anyway Squall is like the definition of a loner and I really loved his character and his attidute. In the game his most frequent line is "..." Hard and cold, abandoned as a child. Open yourself up and you get hurt, that kind of thing. The plot in the game is mainly a romance too, he meets a girl who pretty much forces her self on him and tears down his walls and teaches him to love. Awwwww.... lol right? I liked it. In the one scene she tells him that he has missed out on everything that is good in life. I kind of feel that way.


Well, when I played Final Fantasy VIII I was already an RPG veteran, but I was blown away when I saw a main character like Squall. Different from all those cliched "optimistic boy from a small village" type of characters. Very original and well developed characters, it's too bad that the rest of the cast and the plot are absolutely paper thin and that plot twist about the orphanage ruins the plot of the game completely.

If only we were all as lucky as the average RPG hero. Not only would all our deep seated mental/emotional problems be dealt with and overcome in a fashion that could only be deemed most excellent, we'd also go on loads bad ass adventures where fighting and easily defeating vicious monsters that randomly attack us for no apparent reason is the norm. Anyway, Squall is cool.


Meh, if I wanted to be inserted in a work of fiction it would be either a hentai movie or a harem anime! Hell yeah! :lol:
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Postby Ikari Shinji » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:34 pm

If you think the rest of the cast of off viii are one dimensional, you will hate tidus from from ffx, god I just couldnt stand him. He was blech blond hair, tanned, extroverted, slightly shallow, one dimensional. Clould from FFVII was pretty cool though.


OK. First let me put my Final Fantasy geek cap on. I will have to argue about Tidus one dimensionality here. Even though, yes he is whiny and somewhat shallow and too optimistic and I do personally hate him, he was decently developed as a character. Unlike the characters of FF8 he didnt seem like an NPC who could be played as.He had much depth and he did change and develop over the story. The fact that those changes and that everything we learn about him make us hate him more is another story. And yes, Cloud was cool, but my favorite will always be Squall.
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Postby Ikari Shinji » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:53 pm

I loved that scene where you can explore clouds subconscious, very evangelion like.


Yes, that scene does seem like something that would come out of Hideaki Anno's mind and it wouldn't feel out of place in NGE. On the topic of which is my favorite FF, I cant seem to decide... I've finished them all except IX and II and even though many are utter junk there are also many good games in that series. Final Fantasy X is one of my favorites due to it's refined battle system (RPGs need to go back to turn based combat, dammit!! Enough with the action-RPG crap!) and the sphere grid is my second favorite leveling system in the series. Final Fantasy VIII is also a favorite even though the story sucked the Junction system is my absolute favorite. Final Fantasy VI also comes to mind, and in fact I think that a 3D remake of this game will probably be a very good ide. There's also Final Fantasy VII, which overall really good despite it's glaring flaws, like the overly customizable characters, the incredibly convoluted story, the laughable difficulty and I will always hold against it the fact that it was the game that introduced Tetsuya Nomura into the series and kicked out my beloved Yoshitaka Amano art. Even so, that game is just like Evangelion, flawed but still more enjoyable than its technically superior peers.
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Postby Ikari Shinji » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:27 pm

Well, here goes my list of my favorite RPGs...

1.Final Fantasy X, VII, VIII, VI and IV
2.Chrono Trigger - A freaking classic
3.Xenosaga series - Boring gameplay but amazing story
4.Tales of Symphonia - A lot of fun to play even with a mediocre story
5. Grandia I, II and III - Simply amazing games
6.Radiata Stories
7. Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic - It may not be a Jrpg but it's so good I had to put it in my favorites
8.Kingdom Hearts - Just the first one and maybe Chain of Memories, the second one sucked just like anything Square is making lately
9. Romancing SaGa 3 was also pretty good.
10. Lennus (known as Paladin's Quest outside Japan)
11. Earthbound - Now this game is just freaking good

and I can't think of any other game worthy to be put up there, even though I have played a lot of RPGs, especially obscure japan only ones.
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