Why does he ask out girls way above his league?

Murderface wrote:because I'm not really of lower status

There, you said it. It then is an issue of an inflated ego. Done.

There, you said it. It then is an issue of an inflated ego. Done.

lol thanks. my ego isnt inflated, I do often hate myself and tell myself I'm worse than everyone else (not all the time, my self-esteem fluctuates), but I'm trying to look at it objectively and superficially (because that is how status is perceived).

I took it the wrong way. My bad.

Who cares. Let's go out and find some hot girls.

Let's.

(I hope that doesn't count as spam)

There are a couple of things in this thread that really bothers me.

1) Let's not forget that it was "in crowds" that went along with Hitler in WWII. It is the people on the fringes of society that really make a difference. So, why would anyone want to be in an "in crowd." I hated a lot of the in crowd when I was in highschool, they were bullies, hardcore conformists, believed in oneupsmanship, and highschool was everything to them. Ironically, in my day, the kids that belonged to the "in crowd" in highschool, who clung to their social identities, have very little going on for themselves after highschool. They became lost without that structure to bolster their sense of self-worth. On the other hand, the "nerds," "losers," etc, often had to rely on themselves to create their own sense of self-worth, skills highly valuable after venturing out into the "real world." And, they weren't believing in the zeitgeist of their peers which was a result of doing everything they were told, so, they learned another valuable skill: not doing everything they were told. As a result, years after graduation I've noticed a high degree of success in work and personal fulfillment with the latter group often termed "outcasts" in ways that were not only highly intelligent but also very creative. We circumvented the system!

2) What in blazes is a teacher doing gossiping about kids like this? This is simply unprofessional and damaging behaviour that reinforces social heirarchies rather than foster an environment of learning and mutual respect.

Regarding this acne faced kid, if he did ask the one girl out fully knowing she had a boyfriend, then he's trying to stir up some personal $#%^ and that's not cool However, If he's trying to stir up group $#%^, and shake people's cages, then I say "kudos to him!" He's got balls, which, very likely, most other people don't in his school. We need more freaks in this world!

I had balls in highschool, too, which I'm proud to say. I had smartass replies to the shmuck jock's lack of original comments. I didn't belong to a clique but I had good friends, nonetheless, a few of which I am still in contact with and care a lot about. But all of us saw highschool as a jail, something to get out of as soon as we could.

Down with conformity! Down with empty competition!

For more perspective into all this, I recommend watching the movie, "Animal House" to see a fascist college fraternity get put in their place by a bunch of "outsiders."

Being against "conformists" and the "in croud" is counted as conforming. Just FYI.

Being against "conformists" and the "in croud" is counted as conforming. Just FYI.

[EDIT: hmmm.. i have reason to believe that that comment might just be part of a running joke.. but if you actually believe in your statement feel free to read on. it took me a while to write it... for possibly no good reason]

not really.. being against 'conformists' is counted as not conforming and it cannot logically count as conforming as well due to arising contradiction. non-conformity is the opposite of conformity. Even if everyone conformed to the view of non-conformity (obvious contradiction), there would be no real and non-conceptual standard with which to conform. It only counts as conformity if you go with the majority, and non-conformists cannot form a conforming collective majority because they are by definition independent entities.

shifting from conformity to non-conformity could be represented like this:
(A large majority with many common views forming one entity) + (non-conformist A) + (non-conformist B) = sample

(A smaller majority with common views forming one entity) + (non-conformist A) + (non-conformist B) + (non-conformist C) = sample

i.e. the non-conformists cannot conform with each other to form a minority that is potentially able to become a majority. Obviously this is all theoretical.. in real life pure non-conformity among humans is impractical and unlikely; perhaps impossible.

He may just have the " to hell with it, I only live once so I may as well take a chance" type of attitude. And who knows! He may get lucky and pull a looker. If he don't, well he's in the same position as before he asked isn't he?

Just be pragmatic. If it's practical to conform, do it. If it isn't, don't.

Embarrassment is a fairly useless emotion. I admire this guy for his cajones. Why should he even care if other people gossip?

If he asks a girl out, his chances may not be very good. On the other hand, if he doesn't ask, his chances are even worse. This guy is just improving the odds a bit in his favor. I respect that.