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Loneliness

Postby Una+ » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:51 pm

About the great problem of loneliness, here is a long quote from Carl R. Rogers, 1970, Carl Rogers on Encounter Groups, pp.107-109:
But I believe there is a still deeper and more common cause of loneliness. To put it very briefly, a person is most lonely when he has dropped something of his outer shell or facade---the face with which he has been meeting the world---and feels sure that no one can understand, accept, or care for the part of his inner self that lies revealed.

Each person learns, early in life, that he is more likely to be loved if he behaves in certain ways which are approved by his significant others than if his behavior is the spontaneous expression of his own feelings. So he begins to develop a shell of outer behaviors with which he relates to the external world. This shell may be relatively thin, a role he consciously plays, with at least a dim awareness that he, as a person, is quite different from his role. Or it may become a tough shell or armor plate, which he regards as himself, quite forgetting the person inside.

Now when the individual has dropped some of his defensive shell, is the time when he is most vulnerable to true loneliness. He may have dropped his facade, or a portion of it, voluntarily, in an attempt to face himself more honestly. Or his defenses may have been breached by an attack. In either case this leaves him with his inner, private self somewhat exposed---a self which is childish, full of feeling, with lacks as well as adequacies, and with both creative and destructive impulses---an imperfect and above all vulnerable self. He feels sure that no one could understand or accept the hidden self---an absolute certainty that no one could like or love this strange and contradictory self he has tried so hard to conceal. Hence there develops a deep sense of alienation from others, a feeling that "if anyone comes to know me as I really am, inside, he could not possibly respect or love me." Of this loneliness he is keenly aware.

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So loneliness exists at many levels and in many degrees, but it is sharpest and most poignant in the individual who has, for one reason or another, found himself standing, without some of his customary defenses, a vulnerable, frightened, lonely, but real self, sure of rejection in a judgmental world.


Rogers is writing about existential loneliness in "normal persons", participants in his encounter groups, but the experience he describes is deeply familiar to us, isn't it? I post this here to remind me, and you too, that we are not alone. We are not uniquely suffering when we discover the confinement of our dissociative facade and strive to become our more real, more complete self.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:06 pm

Now almost 2 years since the first time I heard a voice in my head say "I love him" and had no clue where it came from or what this meant, here is a brief report on the current state of my DID system.

Alter 5 was created just a few years ago on meeting a man and fell deeply in love with him. When she comes forward I have a sensation like I am about to vomit and then I hear her tell my husband she loves (is in love with) this other man and I experience the most intense "not me" romantic longing for the man. Alter 1 is not in love with him but loves him, meaning cherishes him. Ever since Alter 1 and I (Una) fused I too love him, but we remember how before the fusion Una did not love him and identified the love as "not me". This love feels like my love for my children. Alter 2 feels a deep kinship and power exchange with him. Alter 3 before fusing with Una was like "Him? Meh. He is way too old!" and "I might go for your [Una's] husband. Can I?", but post fusion we do experience sexual attraction to this man. Sexual attraction to anyone, ever, is an almost alien experience for me, and I think Alter 3 was holding it with her in stasis. Even now it seems to be well buried most of the time, but now and then my body astonishes me by "telling" me "Ooh, sexy! Want it!" Alter 4 is still stuck behind an amnestic wall so I don't know what's up with her.

My husband is very secure in our relationship and amazingly accepting of all of this weirdness. He understands that regardless of how they came to exist these parts of me are real and here to stay. If (when) I succeed in fusing Alter 5, I will have some very difficult work to do to come to terms with longing so deeply for someone who is not available.

I want all of myself to be online, fully present. I want to feel all my feelings, think all my thoughts.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:18 pm

My therapist #2 is very ill. I am glad we had a chance to say goodbye in person. During our final session Alter 5 came forward suddenly, and T saw me startle and asked who was with me. Alter 5 asked for and received a hug from T. I hadn't even known Alter 5 was attached but I should have guessed. Longing is her signature affect. For months now she has been crying, crying, crying. Oh honey I love you and I wish I could wave a magic wand and make it all better. But I can't.

I have been interviewing for a new therapist by phone and in person. One was empathetic but not experienced. One was experienced but scary: frequently not tracking, but reacting! Sensitive but not stable. A couple of good prospects have turned up. I will be meeting again with each of them, and perhaps arrange for them to work together.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:11 pm

Major progress! Alter 5, the one who longs for the other man, has been with me in the body a few times. The feelings are excruciating. Fingers and toes, hands and feet, arms and legs all desperately longing for contact with this person. It is like an intense itch that cannot be scratched. I have taken steps to distance us from the other man.

My system is planning a fusion in the next few weeks, with help from my husband and therapist. I feel that it is close and I know we can do it. This will be the third fusion in my system. The other two fusions have held more than a year now and in each case there was a period of adjustment. Those were spontaneous, so I am a little anxious about planning for something that in the past has just happened.

Once fusion occurs I will have some hard, painful work to do.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:30 pm

Concerning Alter 5 there has been no fusion yet, but inside changes are occurring. The system as a whole has been much quieter, calmer, and I think mostly happier.

I passed a big test at work. Someone who knows about my diagnosis challenged my fitness, not to me directly, but to a higher up. I was asked to explain myself and to provide an evaluation letter from my therapist. I did as requested, promptly and calmly, and the higher ups have informed me there is no issue with my fitness.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby bourbon » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:45 pm

Great! Must be a relief...

I have just looked back at your posts on here that I would have missed since I was away... did you find a new therapist to work with? How difficult that your old one got sick :(

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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:27 pm

I found two therapists that I am working with currently. One has a very somatic orientation and had discovered some multiples but has not worked extensively with a multiple before. The other has a lot of experience working with multiples but is a long way away.

In some ways starting over is really hard and frustrating, but it isn't as painful as beginning therapy was. Now I have so much more practice verbalizing what is going on with me, I have concepts and vocabulary, insight, etc. Also, now I have enough experience to know I am working with therapists who definitely know what they are doing. Therapy isn't so scary any more.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby bourbon » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:40 pm

That is also great. I know of another system who has two therapists - personally I'd find that very confusing! But I think I can see why its beneficial (or even necessary) for some people.

Best wishes with it all

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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:18 pm

Alter 2 broke through during a therapy session last week, just long enough to declare "[My husband] is my bitch!" I was so embarrassed. It is typical of Alter 2 to be that explicit and crude about it too. In fact, Alter 2 said the same thing and more to my previous therapist over a year ago. I really struggle sometimes over the fact that this too is me. I could be wrong but I took Alter 2 to mean he does not share Alter 5's infatuation with her other man.
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Re: Alter in love was a mystery to me

Postby Una+ » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:15 pm

This comment reveals something personal about Johnny-Jack's system and is posted with their consent. In the past two years I have enjoyed spending many hours with them in person, mostly with John but with some of the others too. Twice I talked for a while with Jonathan. Both times he was out front, I felt a distinctly sexual energy that I experienced as coming from him and resonating in my body. The first time this happened Jonathan did not identify himself and I was not sure what had just changed between us but the second time he did. I am not saying Jonathan was coming on to me or interested in coming on to me. I am saying when he comes out front, when he is present in his body, I feel something very peculiar in my body.

I have had a very similar experience, involving the same quality of "not me but in me" sexual energy, with 3 other men, so 4 in all. One of them told me he too is a multiple. Another I think is a multiple also, and the last man is a friend of this man.

I am thinking Jonathan may be one of those "sexy" alters we read about, in technical discussions by psychotherapists of the phenomenon of projective identification. Note the word "sexy" not "sex". Jonathan is not a sex alter but he is an adult male and heterosexual.

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