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Projective identification and DID

Postby Una+ » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:38 am

Projective identification is the unconscious pushing of "unacceptable" parts of yourself into another person, who then is likely to experience your "unacceptable" thoughts and feelings as their own. The other person may even be induced to act out.

In general, the more firmly denied or deeply buried in our psyche something is, the more forcefully we may project it onto or into another person. So of course dissociated projective identifications are especially forceful. They frequently are very disruptive in our lives as multiples and important in our psychotherapy treatments. For example, here is a long quote from a book for therapists, edited by Drs Richard P. Kluft and Catherine G. Fine (1993), "Clinical Perspectives on Multiple Personality Disorder", Chapter 4 by Richard J. Loewenstein, "Countertransference in the treatment of multiple personality disorder", p.66-67:

Because of the intensity of the dissociative projective identifications, the therapist may also experience altered perceptions in work with MPD patients. These often-disconcerting phenomena include intense imagery, often with a sexual or aggressive content, negative hallucinations, depersonalization, trancelike experiences, countertransferential "spacing out" and sleepiness, and inability to think. Obviously, therapists must be extremely rigorous in accounting for their own idiosyncratic countertransference contributions to such phenomena. Also, it is critical for the therapist to inquire neutrally and tactfully when experiencing in the countertransference disquieting sexual or aggressive imagery that seems to be evoked projectively by the patient.

For example, I had the following experience in my early work with an MPD patient who had previously become overinvolved with several therapists. During a fairly routine session, I momentarily became flooded with an insistent visual image and tactile hallucination of touching the patient in an intimate manner. Although I felt intensely disquieted and disoriented by the experience, I managed to inquire neutrally if "something had shifted" within her at that moment. She replied: "Yes, the sexy one is here now. And do you know what? She's a child!" As this personality emerged and began to talk, my hallucinatory experiences ceased.

We were then able to discuss more openly various alters' fears that I would become involved with the sexual alter, who would be unable to refuse my advances. Also, we were able to discuss this alter's previous exploitation in several prior therapy and nontherapy relationships. The patient's more executive alters had been unaware that this alter was a child. Clarification of this led to better understanding of the particular sexual predicaments in which this patient frequently found herself. Ultimately, the patient was able to extricate herself from an abusive sadomasochistic sexual relationship that strongly evoked this alter.


Along the same lines is this journal article, available as a free PDF:
Su Baker (1997) Dissociation Volume 10, No. 4, pp. 214-222, Dancing the dance with dissociatives: some thoughts on countertransference, projective identification and enactments in the treatment of dissociative disorders. Scholarsbank: download PDF

Abstract: Therapists working with dissociative patients, with their complex, overlapping transferences, frequently encounter countertransference conundrums. Further complications arise as the dissociative patient frequently uses the defense of projective identification, whereby the therapist is left "holding the bag," experiencing the patient's unwanted feelings or unacceptable impulses. Patient and therapist become the inevitable participants in transference enactment, each unwittingly playing a role written from the patient's past. However, projective identification and enactment may both be viewed as a powerful type of communication, allowing the therapist to understand the experience of the patient in a uniquely empathic way. By creatively welcoming inevitable enactment, the playing out of the patient's unconscious dynamics in the therapy, the therapist and patient can work through otherwise uninterpretable clinical material. This paper proposes that in the transpersonal field of therapy with dissociative patients, therapist and patient, "dancing together," can rework old patterns and arrive at new, deeper understanding and change. Case material is presented to illustrate this thesis.


Wikipedia: Projective identification
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Re: Projective identification and DID

Postby Una+ » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:20 pm

Here is a very technical and detailed web page on the topic of projective identification, content of an online continuing education course by Dr Allan N Schore, PhD:

ContinuingEdCourses.net: Projective Identification, Unconscious Communication, and the Right Brain
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Re: Projective identification and DID

Postby bigduke6 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:07 am

im not multiple ,but have been on the receiving end of projective identification from one and will tell anyone here that it has a DEVASTATING impact on the receiver. It's especially harmful to those who have attachment issues- it literally will turn someone into a zombie
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Re: Projective identification and DID

Postby tribeofone » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:44 pm

...thanks for posting this Una+, this explains a few of the weird things we experienced when in a relationship with another system

*trigger warning, abuse*

at one point we had a flash image of us being the person who abused them. this was extremely unsettling for us because of course no one in here would even dream of being abusive in this way. I think maybe it was something similar as what happened to this therapist.
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Re: Projective identification and DID

Postby Una+ » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:14 pm

I too have had weird subjective experiences with other people, experiences that appear to involve projective identification, both as projector and receiver.

As receiver my experiences of projective identification include a recurrent similar experience with 4 different men; 2 of them known multiples, 1 probably a multiple, and 1 a friend of one of these men. I posted about that in my personal thread on this DID Forum, Alter in love was a mystery to me. The thread is very long, so here is a link direct to the post.

As a projector I have had numerous experiences of psychotherapists and other health care workers behaving in an inappropriately hostile manner toward me, similar to what remusmdh describes in his thread New to dissociative matters. This happens when my Alter 2 manifests, even if he does not say or do anything overt. Recent feedback from therapists suggests that Alter 2 manifests in my facial expressions and/or energetically. Other people who are sensitive to projective identification but not trained to be consciously aware of it, respond to Alter 2 with a variety of negative feelings, usually rage, and sometimes act out on those feelings. People who tend to be sensitive include teachers, pastoral and lay counselors, nurses, and of course multiples!

I feel very fortunate that by coincidence I was trained many years ago to contain the emotional overwhelm of others. So when people blow up with me for no apparent reason, I remain more or less calm and functional, and the interaction usually ends well. I mention that not to brag but to give anyone reading this hope. If you think projective identification has been a source of trouble in your life, know that you can get help. You can learn to contain it, whichever end of it you are on, without the other person needing to have any idea what is happening or what you are doing about it.
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Re: Projective identification and DID

Postby Familyof3 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:54 pm

Would something like this be considered 'common' for people with DID, or is it a rare occurrence? And how would someone know (become aware of) if they were projecting/being projected at?
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Re: Projective identification and DID

Postby Una+ » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:26 pm

This is very common for people with DID.

How to be aware of projecting and/or being projected at? That's a tough question. I don't know how to answer it other than to say awareness comes with experience. I became aware of something odd going on before I had any vocabulary or awareness of the concept. In particular, I had a number of very sudden, intense, experiences while interacting with other people. They were totally WTF just happened? -type experiences.

My therapists tell me I do not project much onto them, only a little sometimes, but they also tell me I am not a typical multiple. My system is extraordinarily somatic; I have more than my share of odd sensory experiences. In any event, everyone projects; projection is normal human behavior. What is unusual is the power with which people with DID can project onto others, and invoke projective identification in others.

If someone reading this knows of a psychology book that is really good on this topic, please post and share this information with us!
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Re: Projective identification and DID

Postby Familyof3 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:19 pm

Thank you for the information Una+.
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Re: Projective identification and DID

Postby Una+ » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:26 pm

More than a year ago in this thread I wrote that:
Una+ wrote:I too have had weird subjective experiences with other people, experiences that appear to involve projective identification, both as projector and receiver.

[...]

As a projector I have had numerous experiences of psychotherapists and other health care workers behaving in an inappropriately hostile manner toward me, similar to what remusmdh describes in his thread New to dissociative matters. This happens when my Alter 2 manifests, even if he does not say or do anything overt. Recent feedback from therapists suggests that Alter 2 manifests in my facial expressions and/or energetically. Other people who are sensitive to projective identification but not trained to be consciously aware of it, respond to Alter 2 with a variety of negative feelings, usually rage, and sometimes act out on those feelings. People who tend to be sensitive include teachers, pastoral and lay counselors, nurses, and of course multiples!

Since writing that I have paid much closer attention to what I (we) project and the result has been a marked improvement in my performance at work.

My Alter 2 naturally is an introject of someone in my family of origin who has problems with rage.
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Re: Projective identification and DID

Postby Violarules » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:37 pm

Hi. So you're saying that thoughts or feelings the host has can be forced into an alter since the host doesn't want to be associated with that or another alter can do the same to the host? I ask since I'm confused but I feel like this has happened to me. Like I really don't like being touched by anyone and I will shrug my brother off if he touches me but I won't do that with my parents but that's because I know that would be disrespectful to my parents so I feel obligated to withhold my want to not want human contact with them. I was telling my brother this and he asked me if something really bad happened when I was younger but if I was physically traumatized when I was younger, I don't remember it. All I know are sexual content and anything that can be intimate (ie kissing, hugging, etc.) is something I can't stand and am repulsed by but I have no idea why.
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