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Is it possible the core is a fragment?

Postby Dalgidanchew » Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:38 pm

I ask because there is a presence that is co-con with all our main parts but never fronts. At least I don't think so. They/it is ill defined in their/it's own self and kind of allows communication but also doesn't really intervene nor offer any support or insights. It feels pretty sad and jaded but I don't know anything about them/it because they/it only communicate in a one-way direction. Like a constant observer with no sense of self. In this way all of us feel watched and uneasy about them. If they are the only one that can act as a window for other alters to see each other then does that mean they're the core ? I just don't know the significance of this presence is it even an alter or something else? Please help
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Re: Is it possible the core is a fragment?

Postby Eliseahorse » Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:01 am

Did doesn't have cores. Osdd might depending on whose paper you reed.

It sounds like a gatekeeper alter, sometimes they don't have the ability to front solo and therefore never get to live "their" life / fulfill "their" dreams. Youd get pretty jaded if you got to see everyone have at least some of their needs met but never get your own needs met.

The gatekeepers function is to facilitate communication and regulate who fronts when not part of the inside world not part of the outside world either. kinda like a bouncer at a night club.

Its hard but try and have some sympathy for what is a lonely part doing a thankless job. If they feel more appreciated they may feel able to comunicste more.
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Re: Is it possible the core is a fragment?

Postby ArbreMonde » Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:01 pm

Not every dissociated person has a core. Some do, if they were lucky enough to start to integrate before trauma happened. Some dont, because they were so sensitive to stress that they never really integrated anything since birth.

Also this can change with therapy or depending on how you label your parts. I used to label my main gatekeeper (Theia) "core" because she felt like an administration centre and the main crossroad allowing every one of my parts to interact, but that's just me. While identity-wise, the oldest would have been Pride (child part from before the first Very Bad abuse), the one who was most present during school years would have been Ghosty, the one who was most present during social interactions would have been Zami and the one who presently is the "nesting doll to contain all the nesting dolls" is Morwane which is me.

Who is the one and true core? Dunno, dont care anymore. All of the parts of me are important all the same.

There are many kinds of part you can feel to be the "center" or "core" of your system. There can be different ones depending on what aspect you consider.

A constant observer is one of the many roles found in DID. It is very convenient to have someone who has a general sense of what is going on so they can make sure the important informations are carried on from switch to switch (such as, remembering the appointment you need to be at, or drinking the coffee before it turns cold, alone and forgotten in the kitchen)

In order to be an "alter" per se, the part needs to have a distinct sense of self. Not every part has a specific sense of self and it's okay. Your brain does what needs be done as a whole to function. If your brain decided the "observer" does not need a sense of self, it's okay.

Observing and remembering and sharing the important informations is an important job. If you need to be able to chat with the part doing this job, you can try to gently suggest your brain to give them a personhood / identity so you can chat with them, better understand their job, get to know them so it's less uncomfortable to know they are here, and so on. But only if you want to, of course. You decide what to do and what is best for you in this situation.

Just know that this part/fragment is merely doing their job as some sort of general secretary and archivist of sorts. They make sure to remember things so there is not too much amnesia between the switches.
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Re: Is it possible the core is a fragment?

Postby ViTheta » Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:46 pm

I'll add to this...we never had a 'core'. We've tracked down that, at the beginning of it all, we had four of us; however, our gatekeeper and coordinator, Queen, has always been in the background. Queen spent most of the time just observing and making sure that things ticked over as well as preventing our more malicious alters from fronting very often.

Queen's identity only formed after a while, in fact. For a long time, her minimal sense of self was just as a cyborg plugged into the system to facilitate everything. She has a personality now though I would say her personality is kind of still very staid and formal.

But to back up what was said, some of our alters had minimal sense of self until we brought them into the system and they started to have more form. Some of them were just there to close things off or hold onto things and then we started to acknowledge them and they started to get more solid. It's like they were sort of there and then they were.

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Re: Is it possible the core is a fragment?

Postby Dalgidanchew » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:31 pm

Omgosh...
That totally makess sense.

I heard about gatekeepers and I didn't know what they was. Because I didn't thinks we have one.

:( But the window woman helps us see from the obs room in inner world.
It's like an aquarium.

Some big scary things happened outside but idk what.
I love the window woman she lets us play at driving.

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Re: Is it possible the core is a fragment?

Postby Eliseahorse » Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:30 pm

Hey blue you looks like a little like me. You wanna play in the littles thread we makerin a amusement Park
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