Questions about Thorne and Abela's behavior TW

Rive wrote:Because I am doubting if I am DID again. If these are just different aspects of a singular personality. The lines are too blurry to what is an immoral alter versus just me. I don't feel that the things Thorne thinks are funny are funny. Then with Abela I can't tell if it's me or her that likes bad things sometimes. Someone here on this forum anonymously textdx me on another forum and explained to me I could be going throgh something called The Imp of Perverse.

if yous getting threatening pms you report um to the moderators, show the mods the pms and then the person doing it will get into trouble.yous can also shows the pms to the mods here and they can help yous be safe here too. lots of sites gots "search" too where you can search words in the pm and match up to others that posted about that stuff. you said they said "imp of perverse" search posts to see who uses that words then report the pm and the posts that have that in it, gives the mods copies of the pm and the posts.

Rive, it doesn't work to bring communications or controversies originating on other forums onto this one. Please avoid doing that, handle them on the other site. Members here don't have any influence on or understanding of other forums or sites, we can only deal with communications here.

You know you're very impressionable, especially regarding suggestions that you may not have DID, you may have something else. If I were you, I would avoid like the plague all PMs or texts from individuals you haven't had considerable communication with, such as members who post openly on this site.

It's up to you whether you follow that advice but you shouldn't bring these communications, whether public posts to you or private messages, from elsewhere onto this site. It's one thing to ponder something you read elsewhere but you've done this about direct communications a few times and it just doesn't work.

Well they contacted me on another forum and said they were from this one as well. That they had read all my posts here. Anyway, it's not so much what they said.especially not the communication part. I don't take that as proof anymore. Now I am just stuck on wondering if I have DID because I don't know what's coming from me or alters. I don't know how to really tell. I know that its when it doesnt feel like its coming from you but I cant tell if it is or isnt anymore or ever. That's why I contacted my DID specialist who is a Psychologist and am meeting with her Thursday.

andiKirkwood wrote:if yous getting threatening pms you report um to the moderators, show the mods the pms and then the person doing it will get into trouble.yous can also shows the pms to the mods here and they can help yous be safe here too. lots of sites gots "search" too where you can search words in the pm and match up to others that posted about that stuff. you said they said "imp of perverse" search posts to see who uses that words then report the pm and the posts that have that in it, gives the mods copies of the pm and the posts.

This is the exact sort of way a mendacious, manipulative person would respond here. Manipulators always lie but sometimes you have to look between the lines to see the lies. The mendacity here is that Rive did not say they had received a threatening PM. That is not what happened. The aggressor is careful to make sure there is nothing that could be reported to a moderator. Then they can say, "See? There was no aggression."

A mendacious manipulative person might make "helpful" misleading suggestions such as telling Rive to search certain terms on the forum to find out who sent the PM. They know the suggested search would not lead back to the perpetrator, which is why they suggested it. Again the theme is, "See? There was no aggression." It is gaslighting.


Rive, I've had just about enough of your nonsense too. If you want to sit there and let yourself get psychologically raped, I'm not going to keep defending you. That's taking up my energy. People have gone out of their way trying to help you again and again. Several people have have written excellent detailed explanations for you, repeatedly. They've given you good advice.

And yet here you are again spinning in circles again, asking the same questions over and over like you're just a ghost and not even aware there are people talking to you and answering your questions. It's because you're triggered and you're not interacting with reality. When you get triggered you get confused and the OCD flares up and you stop listening. The OCD exists because of the abuse you endured. It helped you at one time but it's not helping you now. You need to step outside of the OCD mindset and see it for what it is.

Most people who have DID have a sort of Stockholm Syndrome that was forced upon us during childhood. Like when you say you think an aggressive manipulative person is trying to help you, that's like Stockholm Syndrome. When you polarize GOOD/BAD the way you're doing, that reinforces the abuse that was done to you. It reinforces the Stockholm Syndrome and makes you an easy target for manipulators and predators. You're sitting there not helping yourself and not defending yourself because that's the way you were made to be. But you have to help yourself to break out of that habit because no one can rescue you except for you.

Personal attacks aren't okay on Psychforums, no matter what the circumstances, no matter how strong one's perceptions and feelings.

This is an example of why members need to handle things they read on other forums on that site. It can make things very confusing and we have no way of addressing or resolving them. It's why we ask members not to brings things read on another forum here.

If anyone has an issue with any members' posts or PMs on this site, they should feel free to PM any moderator.

Hi there,
I'm not sure how old you are Rive, but I think you might be going through a bit of a teenage, rebellious phase. I'm glad you have the people here to help you out and give you good advice, but that doesn't mean you are going to take it. I think that's probably a normal part of growing up, and it happens in all normal families, and if you don't have the usual family support I'm glad you have this forum. But you don't have to agree with them, and you are a free agent, and often teenagers are made to shake up existing ideas on things, but they are entitled to make their own mistakes .

I can pull a right teenage tantrum if pushed, and it's a healthy way to establish my boundaries, I'm in my 50s, and for them to reflect on how better to assert themselves in future. But it isn't abusive and I think the people on here want to keep you safe from abuse. But they can talk till they blue in the face, what you do and think is up to you. It might be your insiders are keeping stuff from you until they feel you are mature enough. I. know from painful experience what it's like dealing with a system with a host who isn't very good at it, and I do hope with your family on here you get enough attention and support not to turn out like that.
I and my family are fairly upfront about all our DID, we make jokes about it all the time. It is sort of acknowledged. I am a rebel because along with some of my family I think DID people are a special group of humans, but they are easily targeted by abusers because of their nature and the nature of their parents. So I don't fit in with the agreement on how DID forms through abuse either. I find the same situation as you, with me and all my family, at least I thinks it's the same as what you say - an over arching person, me, and then lots of alters who give me my emotions and personality. Mine are shaped by some very nasty abuse but several people in my family have no abuse and still have alters. Very cheeky ones. But a with steady person who is always at the front but can get occasionally taken over by them, but generally not. But I could be wrong, but this is the best sense I can make of it at present. For example, the menopause gave me terrible insomia, so after a bit of thinking I just seem to vanish now, so I reckon I they do the sleeping now. And now I. never have to worry about it. But if me, the person at the front, were a teenage, rebellious type, I think they would have a really bad time. Sometimes I and they still do have a bad time, as we are still revealing abuse and healing, well they are, nothing bad ever happened to me personally , but I am genuinely very nice, and very helpful I think. I think you will turn out well if your friends on here keep posting the best advice for you, but it will take a while as you will challenge a lot of their assumptions about how things work. That's good. I remember JJ's son saying on here, something like "don't tell me to see a therapist, they are a load of rubbish" and I agreed with him. I can't help but like and value teenagers because I have loads of them, including a birth one who needs to be washing her hair and brushing her teeth and is currently glued to the internet eating a very healthy diet on Pringles and coke.
Sorry if I got the teenager idea wrong, and you are older, but maybe we are all a little bit teenager at heart.

When I was in a very stressful job I used to go by a fishtank with a giant train of misbehaving children. I used to get the urge to take the little fish in my hand a crush it. I love fishys, I have an imagination tank with every poor hurt, gasping, dying fishy in the world ever wearing fishy bandages swimming happily about. It was because one of mine is like that. We overlap. I don't know why people expect something as complex as the human brain to have one simple personality. It's a miraculous thing.

I'm looking up the Imp of the Perverse, I think it's a good idea to look into everything. Probably just another way of describing an alter. But be careful not to go too far and remember not to scare or upset yourself. It's not a good idea to go too far into anything supernatural. Was it the Catcher on the Rye where the young fellow has the feeling of wanting to say very rude stuff in polite public situations, or was it another book, really no idea, sorry if I got that horribley wrong.