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How to prevent splitting? trigger warning: splits, integrat.

Postby AlteredArt » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:51 pm

I don't know what trigger warnings to put on this. Splitting, also vague references to integrating, discussion of what our particular system is like and how I feel negatively about it. Oh, and swearing. I hope that covers it and that no one is hurt or offended or triggered by this.

Basically, my system is still splitting, and I want it to stop. Every time it happens, I feel more scared and out of control and further away from getting a handle on things. Every new split is another part that has to be taken care of and checked in on, and I feel like the more we split, the harder it's going to be to try to put the pieces back together. We're supposed to be learning to deal with things and making progress (and, to be fair, we are), and I feel like we fail every time it happens. :(

There have been at least two new people (not just discovered, actually created - I know when, why, and how it happened each time) this past year and now Madeline (original, 3 years old) wants to split into Bad Madeline and Good Madeline and we're doing our best to try to help her not to have to do that (help her be okay with having contradictory emotions and traits) but I'm scared it's going to happen anyway. And I can't stop it. It may have already happened. :( (It feels like the total is 26 now. A couple of weeks ago it was 25. God knows who number 26 is. I swear, if we get to 30+, some of you f-ers are just going to have to merge, damnit!*)

I don't know what to do. When does it stop??

Ellie

*Joking, but also want to cry. I know I can't force merging/integrating and to even try would be disrespectful and overbearing. I don't even feel inside how we ever could combine. We just keep getting more fragmented and fragmented. I also know I have to be accepting of everyone if I want to know what's going on and have us all work together, and I'm doing my best, it's just really hard sometimes.
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Re: How to prevent splitting? trigger warning: splits, integ

Postby Blu-Web » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:25 pm

AlteredArt wrote:*Joking, but also want to cry. I know I can't force merging/integrating and to even try would be disrespectful and overbearing. I don't even feel inside how we ever could combine. We just keep getting more fragmented and fragmented. I also know I have to be accepting of everyone if I want to know what's going on and have us all work together, and I'm doing my best, it's just really hard sometimes.


I'm sorry your having such a hard time,. I know from experience what this splitting and fragmentation feels like. I discussed this with my 'T' this week in sesh and she explained what was happening to us like this:

Basically she says we are fragmenting all the time, because we are scared of connecting. As we come out, there is a backlash of fear, we are afriad to connect or make new attachments, this causes the fragmentation, we fragment to make it harder to connect or attach. For those trying to connect it is like trying to grasp water....

We are talking more and trying to find out why people are scraed. those that are scraed are also doing their bit, trying to hold on and explain why. lots of internal acceptance and generally trying to understand each other.

Incidently, we also experince greater framentation when new parts/alters come out. we seem to come out like a tangled knot of bitsnpieces of alters, this causes great confusion and until the tangle is untangled and the new parts have had a chance to talk and find out who they are, where they belong. we tend to feel very floaty, very fragmented, we don't knw who we are when in this place. :(

Hope that helps.

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Re: How to prevent splitting? trigger warning: splits, integ

Postby tomboy24 » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:16 pm

-- Is there such a thing as splitting? (Possibly Triggery, discusses DID development): http://www.psychforums.com/dissociative-identity/topic101763.html

-- A question about alter "creation": http://www.psychforums.com/dissociative-identity/topic100271.html

-- Continued splitting as an adult: http://www.psychforums.com/dissociative-identity/topic108261.html


hope those help in some way :oops:


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Re: How to prevent splitting? trigger warning: splits, integ

Postby lifelongthing » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:21 pm

This is a very interesting topic I'm glad you brought up.
Our last split (that we know of at least) was last year.

We're not much help but will definitely be checking this thread out.
Best of luck moving forward in your healing.
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Re: How to prevent splitting? trigger warning: splits, integ

Postby AlteredArt » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:38 pm

Thank you very much, both of you.

Blu-Web wrote:Basically she says we are fragmenting all the time, because we are scared of connecting. As we come out, there is a backlash of fear, we are afriad to connect or make new attachments, this causes the fragmentation, we fragment to make it harder to connect or attach. For those trying to connect it is like trying to grasp water....


Hm...now that sounds like us. And Madeline did just come out of hiding recently...we'll have to think about this. Thank you!

Oh, no, I just thought of something. Madeline's been a bit of a problem child - tantrums over not being allowed to take over as host, coming out randomly inside (not hosting, thank god, just being present) and not being able to handle hardly any stimulation or even handle being present at all (freaking out at there being a tv on, someone talking, other people being around, lots of fear and angst, etc) and we've been trying to be patient and soothing and accepting, but we've been unable to completely hide our frustration and difficulty dealing with even more stress in our lives. I hope she's not trying to cut out the "bad" parts that we have difficulty with so we'll embrace her more. :( We'll have to talk to her about that. (We'd tap into her now, but I'm afraid she's kind of the sleeping bear no one wants to wake, heh.)
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Re: How to prevent splitting? trigger warning: splits, integ

Postby AlteredArt » Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:47 am

Just realized I said thank you both of you but meant all of you. Just wanted to make sure I didn't accidentally cause any hurt feelings or anything. :)
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Re: How to prevent splitting? trigger warning: splits, integ

Postby lifelongthing » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:40 am

Just realized I said thank you both of you but meant all of you. Just wanted to make sure I didn't accidentally cause any hurt feelings or anything.

You're welcome, not that I helped :P
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Re: How to prevent splitting? trigger warning: splits, integ

Postby AlteredArt » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:24 pm

lifelongthing wrote:You're welcome, not that I helped :P


Yes you did! Even just knowing people are reading and thinking of us means a lot, and you were even supportive and wished us good luck, which is 10x better. :)
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Re: How to prevent splitting? trigger warning: splits, integ

Postby lifelongthing » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:28 pm

Aw, I'm glad :) Happy to read and try to help at least :) Best of luck going forward.
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Re: How to prevent splitting? trigger warning: splits, integ

Postby AlteredArt » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:20 pm

lifelongthing- at the risk of forming a continuous loop, heh, thank you again. :)

cassie: those threads are really interesting, thank you for posting them. I wasn't really able to parse things yesterday (and am still having trouble today), but I think I get the general idea.


Actually, question for everyone before I go on - would it be better for me to resurrect one of the older threads, start a new one, or continue in this one? Because I think I may be veering off a little and I'd like as much input as possible.


So I get that the theory (if I'm understanding it) is basically that splits as they're generally defined don't happen later in life (after early childhood), that it's more failure to integrate to begin with in early childhood and development of unintegrated/unaccessed parts later on, right?

Well, I'm having a little trouble reconciling that with my personal experiences. We haven't sorted all of it out, but there is at least one alter who definitely remembers being formed in our early adolescence because of a need. And the "splits" I'm aware of recently - I know why they happened and who they're off-shoots of. Is that just our perception? Is that more our mind's way of defining the further development of already existing parts? It is true that the recent adult "splits" are more fragments than true alters. They feel separate, though. I know that the mind is capable of viewing things in many different ways, though, if that makes sense.

An analogy and a couple of specific examples, if that helps:

So development of an alter. Like I said, it feels like it meets a need, but is that more a development of a latent capacity? Kind of like learning multiplication or learning to play an instrument. The capacity was there before, but it didn't happen/develop until it was needed/accessed?

Example of later "split" (I'm going to stop using " " because it's annoying, but that's what I mean): Morgan seems to be a sociopath. (I won't elaborate for triggering reasons and because it's not really important). Rin has always been wary of her and afraid that Morgan will take over and hurt the people we care about, so she kind of became Morgan's keeper (making sure she couldn't do harmful things). Rin has issues with severe depression, though, that result in her not being able to be present at times, and she (and others in the system who were concerned too) were afraid that she wouldn't be able to keep Morgan under control because of that, so that evening/night, Liana was formed. It feels like she kind of sprang from Rin, like Rin carved part of herself off. They don't feel connected to each other anymore or share emotions (they seem to behave separately) but it does feel as though Rin lost a bit of herself and that Liana isn't a full alter. It's hard to explain. Liana does have a range of emotions and opinions/desires, but she doesn't feel like a fully 3-D alter. (Rin still does, though).

So are Rin and Liana still basically the same "part"? They just kind of function separately, kind of the way adding and subtracting are separate functions but they have the same mathematical origin? We're still trying to wrap our brain around it, so I hope I managed to make sense.

We're all pretty new to this DID thing and hadn't really examined things this closely before, but now that I think about it, that makes a lot more sense. We never really understood how an alter could be created out of thin air just because there was a need for it. So it's really good to learn that that isn't the case.
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