Toxic Alpha male (NPD) vs Nice Alpha male (gentle man)

DT1095 wrote:I would like to think of myself as an alpha but in reality Im probably an omega. A people pleaser that backs down and avoids confrontation.

With dogs the omega was seen as the lowest rank and was picked on by the others. Recent research shows that the omega is just as important as the alpha and beta. It is the clown and the peace maker. It is the whipping boy that means the rest of the pack don't fall out and turn on each other. In a way it is stronger than the others as it puts up with so much more. It is not necessarily the weakest either it just chooses not to retaliate. I see a lot of myself in that and when I have blown up in the past it has really shocked and sometimes scared people as it just isn't expected of me.

I think a lot of what people consider as alpha males (the strong silent type that puts up with everything thrown at them) are probably more omegas.

Ive worked with some real Alphas (in the army) and most would score highly for ASPD or NPD.

You have educated me DT. I myself am an omega too (now that I'm free of alcohol!).

I find the whole aggressive, chest-beating, dragging women by the hair behaviour comical.

And any female impressed by that wouldn't be my kinda gal.

Journeyman15 wrote:Personally, I'm not convinced the concept of any kind of alpha male is still relevant.

It probably stems from Neanderthal times but we (well most of us anyway) have evolved.

I'd be quite embarrassed to be considered an alpha male in truth. It's all a little backward in my opinion.

still hitting them over the head with a club than draging them to my cave

-- Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:12 pm --

In studies of social animals, the highest ranking individual is sometimes designated as the alpha. Males, females, or both, can be alphas, depending on the species. Where one male and one female fulfill this role together, they are sometimes referred to as the alpha pair. Other animals in the same social group may exhibit deference or other species-specific subordinate behaviours towards the alpha or alphas.

Alpha animals usually gain preferential access to food and other desirable items or activities, though the extent of this varies widely between species. Male or female alphas may gain preferential access to sex or mates; in some species, only alphas or an alpha pair reproduce.

Alphas may achieve their status by superior physical strength and aggression, or through social efforts and building alliances within the group.[1]

The individual with alpha status sometimes changes, often through a fight between the dominant and a subordinate animal. Such fights may or may not be to the death.

-- Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:13 pm --

pd i'm not an alpha male i'lm an apex predator

madjoe wrote:

Journeyman15 wrote:Personally, I'm not convinced the concept of any kind of alpha male is still relevant.

It probably stems from Neanderthal times but we (well most of us anyway) have evolved.

I'd be quite embarrassed to be considered an alpha male in truth. It's all a little backward in my opinion.

still hitting them over the head with a club than draging them to my cave

In fairness, some of the women in my locality could wrestle a bison to the ground with their bare hands then skin it with their stubble. They're still susceptible to a club though, so long as it's a $#%^ night club and you're buying the ale.

I can say I easily forget the toxic alpha male. I never look back on him fondly.
The nice alpha is harder to forget, and I always look back on him fondly and with appreciation.

Journeyman15 wrote:

madjoe wrote:

Journeyman15 wrote:Personally, I'm not convinced the concept of any kind of alpha male is still relevant.

It probably stems from Neanderthal times but we (well most of us anyway) have evolved.

I'd be quite embarrassed to be considered an alpha male in truth. It's all a little backward in my opinion.

still hitting them over the head with a club than draging them to my cave

In fairness, some of the women in my locality could wrestle a bison to the ground with their bare hands then skin it with their stubble. They're still susceptible to a club though, so long as it's a $#%^ night club and you're buying the ale.

My initial knee jerk reaction to any alpha male or female is to not play the social hierarchy game, because they aren't the boss of me. Of course, it's a different matter if it's a work situation and there's money at stake. Even then I can't be bothered to get dragged into the social pecking order thing.

I'm my own alpha!

I never saw anything about an alpha in the article, Pamhelf.

Thank you for your opinions. As a matter of fact we all have all kind of alpha beta bla bla male type inside of us yes even toxic. It takes alot of discipline to choose what you want to be. NPD choose the extreme method of being toxic sometimes. There are women who want to dominate and there are women who want to be shown how they can lead a happy life by being dominated. The key is to find what you are looking for and not trying to change those women into what you want them to be if they are not doing it on their own. That in summary is the alpha status. You know what you want in a woman. You draw the lines and you decide who is wearing the pants at home. It is that simple. Having a good heart on the other hand as well is beneficial and needed. Be toxic if someone hurts your boundries and be kind if someone treats you with respect.

Constantly letting people do anything to you is not only too nice, but foolish as people will abuse you because they think you have no backbone/selfrespect.

In my case the more I behave like what society calls an alpha male, the more women tell me how much I am selfish and love myself. And I agree with them and tell them openly I like the way I am if they don't they shouldn't be with me. What I can say is, love yourself as much as you can but DO NOT get addicted to false ego and faking your personality just to impress others. Be yourself means be yourself and love that person to the fullest.