Hearing voices is voice to skull

Infinite_Jester wrote:Frey writes ... a buzz, clicking, hiss, or knocking" sound. This is not similar at all to hearing voices.

Dr Sharp and Grove were able to hear, identify and distinguish among 9 words by radiating themselves with microwaves.
See http://www.hearingvoices-is-voicetoskul ... rticle.htm

Infinite_Jester wrote:not sure who the "they" is that's targeting you or why "they" are targeting you.

EleanorW writes in her terrific booklet that that's the big problem in exposing this: http://www.stopos.info

Infinite_Jester wrote:By "offical theory" you mean theories in the empirical sciences

It's garbage. It's a travesty of science.

Infinite_Jester wrote:Cliff have you ever considered how incredibly improbable it is that 4% of the population is being gang stalked by the government?

Have you ever considered how many people were killed by Stalin?
You're such a dreamer, who believes that government wouldn't do such a thing.

dude, stalin? i really dont think you can bring him into this topic, if you bring stalin into it then you might as well bring in the likes of hitler and attila the hun

i can play someone static bursts and tell them there is a hidden message in it, they can hear it again and again and psycologically they will hear what they have been told. going back to my previous post on this topic, where is the hard scientifical studies on this that have been published? the medical studies? I am more than interested in this argument but i would like some proper evidence of this, please can you bring something new to the table on this? otherwise its going to be put down as just another conspiricy theory in my books

Hey Cliff,

Let's look at some of what you wrote and see if the evidence or reasoning is sound enough to support your conclusion. Just a reminder,

(1) Subliminal sounds are just quiet sounds not special sounds (see OP)
(2) The neurobiological explanation of auditory hallucinations is the only theory in the empricial sciences that has been tested and stands up to falsification. (see OP)
(3) Electromagnetic Radiation has only ever been demonstrated to cause people to hear buzzing, hizzing and knocking sounds which are not anything similar to voices.

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:

Infinite_Jester wrote:Frey writes ... a buzz, clicking, hiss, or knocking" sound. This is not similar at all to hearing voices.

Dr Sharp and Grove were able to hear, identify and distinguish among 9 words by radiating themselves with microwaves.
See http://www.hearingvoices-is-voicetoskul ... rticle.htm

Once again Cliff you made the mistake of not reading the source your citing. In "Microwaves and Behaviour", the article that you cited, the author writes that:

" Communication has in fact been demonstrated. A. Guy (Note 1), a skilled telegrapher, arranged for his father, a retired railroad' telegrapher, to operate a key, each closure and opening of which resulted in radiation of a pulse of microwave energy. By directing the radiations at his own head, complex messages via the Continental Morse Code were readily received by Guy." (396) (Justesen, 1975).

They used the clicking noises that electromagnetic energy causes people to experience to give someone codes like "click click -pause- click -pause- click". Again this is not similar in anyway to hearing voices.

Furthermore, Sharp and Groove used no test subjects. Instead, they were able to train themselves to distinguish between the numbers 1-9 when played to themselves through electromagnetic energy. This only shows that the "clicks, buzzes, knocks" sound different depending on the original sound that is being transformed and that through extenisive training someone may be able to tell the difference between one "click" and a "buzz". Nowhere does this research indicate that electromagnetic energy can sound like a voice or communicate whole meaningful sentences of the English language to a test subject with no training.

You need to read the sources you cite and familiarize yourself with the physics of sound waves and neurobiology. If your really interested in voice to skull why don't you talk to an engineer or neurobiologist about your ideas and see if they think it's possible.

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:

Infinite_Jester wrote:Cliff have you ever considered how incredibly improbable it is that 4% of the population is being gang stalked by the government?

Have you ever considered how many people were killed by Stalin?
You're such a dreamer, who believes that government wouldn't do such a thing.

Cliff for one, Stalin killed many people as part of his a ruthless system of control. It was always in his interest to remove dissidents who opposed him. Whereas the voice to skull hypothesis doesn't really make sense. I've read a little bit about some of the theories for why voice to skull exists that it's part of a marketing scheme to try and get people to buy things but it's gone array somehow. Either way Cliff you need to look at the evidence.

And Cliff do you know anything about the United States government? They are woefully disorganized. It took them more than a week to drive water bottles to New Orleans during "Hurricane Katrina" even though they had an entire division of government that was supposed to be prepared for it (FEMA). It's an organization that is well known for being overly bureacratic and disorganized so the idea that they have secretly organized the development of science fiction technology to use for some scheme goes against everything we know about the United States government.

Going back to the main points:

(1) Subliminal sounds are just quiet sounds not special sounds (see OP)
(2) The neurobiological explanation of auditory hallucinations is the only theory in the empricial sciences that has been tested and stands up to falsification. (see OP)
(3) Electromagnetic Radiation has only ever been demonstrated to cause people to hear buzzing, hizzing and knocking sounds which are not anything similar to voices.
(4) The only form of communication possible with electromagnetic radiation is the communication of "clicks" in the form of the Continental Morse Code. (see this post)
(5) An individual can train themselves to distinguish between simple sounds like the numbers played through the form of electromagnetic energy. However, this does not mean that the technology can sound like a voice or communicate whole meaningful sentences of the English language to a test subject with no training.


Cliff no one is out to get you. If your hearing voices you need to talk to someone. You can tell them about voice to skull and why it's bothering you. You could even show them the Frey and Justesen articles.

Please take care of yourself.

-Jester

EleanorW is a retired electronics engineer. She provided the information on my website. In the past this information was on www.raven1.net, but she terminated that website, so I started my own website.

In the past this sort of illegal and harmful experimentation has been uncovered many times. Unwitting and unconsenting adults and children have been irradiated with radioactive material, infected with syphilis, and so on. If they complained, then all doctors confirmed that they were just imagining things. They got no treatment. Because the government was curious to see the results. Bill Clinton has apologized to such people, so you can't say that I'm making it up.

We saw that these illegal experiments were ALWAYS organized by the government, and it was ALWAYS carried out by doctors like you.

So we suspect indeed that the governments are behind voice to skull experimentation on unwitting and unconsenting adults and children.

So I advise people to read the information on my website and to form their own opinion instead of listening to the butchers of the state.

The information that you can get from a doctor is not impartial.

mrwolf77 wrote:where is the hard scientifical studies on this that have been published? the medical studies?

What I do is not a scientific discourse.
I'm not here to give you the irrefutable proof of anything.
People have tried these discourses in the past.
Victims of gang stalking and electronic harassment have tried everything that you can think of.
It all failed, because people demand a proof, and if you can give them a start of a proof, then they will immediately respond: "Maybe what you describe is true, but it's certainly not used against you."
We know already all the scenarios and all the answers.
We practiced them dozens of years.

So I follow a different approach:
I'm here to convince voice hearers that they might be victim of voice to skull harassment.
I advise them to read about voice to skull, electronic harassment, and gang stalking.
If they recognize the tactics, then the voices that they hear are probably voice to skull harassment.
If I can convince all voice hearers, then that's 4% of the population, a small political party.
So what I do is in essence not scientific, but political.

Wrap your cell phone in some foil and call it, it will not ring. Electronic signals are easy to block with shielding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage

Radio is not very complicated at all, no way it can transmit "voice to scull" its just an on off electro-magnet thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit

so its a political stance, rather than solid medical fact that this is not just plausible but possible.

with all political adjendas there is always a motive, like jester has pointed out, the U.S government are hardly the most organised in the world. The facts and numerous experiences both personal and in the press prove that time and time again.

If we are addressing conspiricy theories, then im game for playing the devils advocate there.

you state about them targeting individuals for their own use, assassination ect ect. from personal experience, it takes a trained eye to take a weapon, point it at someone, do all the calculations to make that shot effective and pull the trigger. If you give a gun to most people and tell them to shot someone then yes ok they may pull the trigger but the chances of them being able to make a fatal shot or one that is able to do alot of damage are slim to none. Oswald was a trained marine sniper and he made 3 shots in 6 seconds at JFK including a headshot at a moving target. Combat training is designed so you can make these shots without thinking because its drummed into you.

Sublmininal programming is a more viable option for this, its a lot simpler to get away with and a lot more low tech, research people like derran brown because he has done it for his TV show and has also managed to get someone to admit to murdering someone when they were nowhere near them.

as for conspiricy theroies, i have pretty much heard them all from the Titanic being sunk by lasers to the twin towers were a plot to invade afghanistan. im always up for a discussion as long as people can bring facts to the table and be open for the other side to make their points

Hey Cliff,

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:

mrwolf77 wrote:where is the hard scientifical studies on this that have been published? the medical studies?

What I do is not a scientific discourse.
I'm not here to give you the irrefutable proof of anything.
People have tried these discourses in the past.
Victims of gang stalking and electronic harassment have tried everything that you can think of.
It all failed, because people demand a proof, and if you can give them a start of a proof, then they will immediately respond: "Maybe what you describe is true, but it's certainly not used against you."
We know already all the scenarios and all the answers.
We practiced them dozens of years.

So I follow a different approach:
I'm here to convince voice hearers that they might be victim of voice to skull harassment.
I advise them to read about voice to skull, electronic harassment, and gang stalking.
If they recognize the tactics, then the voices that they hear are probably voice to skull harassment.
If I can convince all voice hearers, then that's 4% of the population, a small political party.
So what I do is in essence not scientific, but political.

I think your confusing things a bit. When we talk about voice to skull technology we want to know what the evidence and reasons for believing that such a technology exists. You've tried to put forward different types of evidence supported by different arguments but all have shown to be untrue because of the clear lack of evidence.

What you do is not "political" it's wrong. Your saying things that aren't supportable with evidence or reason. Also, it's incredible upsetting to tell someone who suffers from psychosis that people are out to get them because they are shooting voices into their head with some science fiction technology.

Cliff your not being gangstalked with science fiction technology nor is anyone else. You need to talk to someone about this. I understand it must be really awful to believe that there are people out to get you and that you can't talk to anyone else however, you need to take a leap of faith and trust that there are people out there who can help you figure all this out.

Please take care of yourself.

Infinite_Jester wrote:Cliff your not being gangstalked with science fiction technology nor is anyone else. You need to talk to someone about this.

A honest person would say: "I don't know whether they are after you. This has to be investigated."
By the way: I don't have to tell you what is at this moment being investigated, but you may let your imagination work.
I talked about this to Dr. Terry Robertson, the anaesthesiologist, who supports our claims and who gave a remarkable speech on the press conference in Louisville, Kentucky on April 16, 2010.
It's posted on youtube and many sites, except the end of the speech.
Here are 2 parts from the 4 parts in which he appears:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_2SDov2_LU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrWhuxvOczA
While I ask you to accept that people are harassed with voice to skull, the claims of Dr. Robertson are much greater.
See also http://www.mynewsletterbuilder.com/emai ... 1410279891 where they write: "Dr. Terry Robertson was widely mentioned as having made an excellent presentation."
That's a doctor who doesn't accept your "proofs from the empirical sciences" that say that voice to skul is impossible.
I would like to know your opinion about that.

I'm not collecting evidence of court room quality.
I describe a crime.
I revived information from the disappeared www.raven1.net
I make it available in a more comprehensible and appealing form.
The goal is that people google "hearing voices", find my website and then find the word "gang stalking".
So my website is specifically designed for people who start to experience voice to skull harassment, who are in shock, but still have the nerves to search the internet.
So I try to explain what they need to know in simple terms.
Because I know that they are shocked or in panic.
It doesn't make sense to confront them with too many details and references.

The number of aware victims will grow.
Then we can ask a new law.
This means: what I do is political.

If you want hard evidence, then rather go to www.MindJustice.org
This is the website of Cheryl Welsh.
She has a degree in Law.
(I think that she's Doctor of Law, but you'll have to look it up to be sure.)
She collects evidence of court room quality.
She's recognized by the UNO as an expert in this matter.
She also ordered the only scientific study about the mind control technology.
The result: the only claim of targeted individuals that is not technically possible, is mind reading by satellites.

See also: http://www.mindjustice.org/symptoms.htm