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Whats the real cause of schizophrneia?

Postby Guest » Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:45 am

In your opinion what causes schizophrenia? Their are many theories: poor nutrietion, chemical imbalance, drug use, mutated genes, harsh experiences, etc...

It's really frustrating for me becuase I would really like to know why I hear voices and am mildly schizophrenic. To make matters worse when ever I start thinking about it I can't come up with anything legitamate except for some bad childhood expereinces like being left alone in a haunted house between the ages of 0-3 and how I cryed my self to sleep. But I don't really think it's fair to blame my mom like that because shes done more good things than bad things to me.

So maybe it's genetic spured on by a variety of other factors.

Whats your opinon?
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Postby Guest » Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:38 pm

There is no known cause for SZ!

No lab test exists to identify any known cause so a diagnosis can be reliably applied.

No SZ displays the same set of symptoms.

The vast amounts of money invested in the possible medical causes for SZ ensures other possible causes such as social, economic, cultural, environmental etc hardly get looked at. But never the less, if you do the research, you'll find research that show's the medical cause for SZ is flawed.
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Postby interesting » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:10 am

"SZ is flawed"

i agree. i also think they're using" schizophrenia" people as a means to study how the brain works and how it can grow with drugs. i think there main purpose is to try to evolve the brain to super human form. :idea:
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Postby Guest » Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:14 am

interesting wrote:"SZ is flawed"

i agree. i also think they're using" schizophrenia" people as a means to study how the brain works and how it can grow with drugs. i think there main purpose is to try to evolve the brain to super human form. :idea:


Not that long ago it was common practice for psychiatrists to drive ice picks into patients brains, they also use electric shocks. Now the predominant method of treatment is toxic medication.

All these methods are used for one thing only, disable/damage the brain.

I don't think they want to develop a super human, its more like they want a sedate, compliant society that follows the rules. Anyone that doesn't will have their brains removed.
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Postby Jay » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:57 am

I know what causes MY schizophrenia.
I know of others and have personally dealt with schizophrenia with niacin therapy (and I'll tell you about the causes below in a sec).

It's not popular largely because you can't patent naicin (nicotinic acid -- niacin for short). It's a naturally occuring substance we find in our food only we never get huge amounts like we can in health food stores/vitamin retailers. There just aint the easy money in niacin like there is in all that tranquilizer-like stuff out there sold for ridiculous amounts.

It's political. Drug co.'s fund schools, influence doctors, the niacin treatment takes a while to kick in (so psychiatrists can claim it doesn't work even in double blind studies) so most give up with it.

What I like about my niacin therapy is that it doesn't have side effects. Yes, you read me right -- no side effects. Well, OK, it does give a temporary "flush" right after ingestion but since I got "flush free" niacin I literally can't tell I'm on it. I'm back to normal and healthy.

Here's what happens in a schizophrenic's body (according to Orthomolecular Psychiatry):

There is an overproduction of an adrenaline by-product called adrenachrome.
This adrenachrome is almost identical to mescaline in chemical properties, hence the hallucinations and delusions (a schizophrenic is "high" even when they don't want to be).

The nicotinic acid (niacin) helps to mop up the excess adrenachrome, scrubs it out of the blood and the symptoms of schizophrenia disappear.

I'm only saying what works for me and a couple of others I know. Now, it's not easy either. I don't drink, do drugs, smoke anything, etc... eat right, exercise lots, avoid uneccessary stress, etc... a total health program.

To say that I need to be on meds for the rest of my life is untrue. Not true at all. I've been fine for years. I have a back-up system where I have an open-minded shrink who will allow me to take an "as needed" tiny amount of Seroqual if I need it, which, so far I haven't.

I'm greatly disappointed in the unscholarly, mainstream psychiatric models that ignore and debase orthomolecular treatments in favour of popular opinion.

There are at least 30 maladies that go hand in hand with schizophrenia. I don't believe that it is an illness in and of itself but rather a symptom of other diseases.

I'll take my niacin and leave the dulling, addictive anti-psychotic prescriptions to collect dust in my medicine cabinet, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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Postby Guest » Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:30 am

Jay,

Your post makes me want to stand up and applaud!

Thanks for the info too.

Good on you and good luck.
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Postby moramind » Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:42 am

i don't know what causes it really, honestly i don't have it, but i have before, abilify induced it accompanied with my psychosis, um,let's see, i have major depression with psychotic features, which is like, when i get depressed to bad for too long, i'll hear voices and $#%^ like seeing things and being really paranoid, i guess if i ever let it get out of hand i would have schizophrenia, but idk, maybe thats all you have, and not schizo, but the best thing is to talk with somone, a therapist or somone who is wise can help you work things out and make you feel so much better about yourself, glad you are here! have a wonderful day sweetie:)
somtimes, it's like i want to touch these lights, and give into them become them, just a flash for a moment~in this world
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Postby Guest » Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:31 pm

Psychotic depression and schizophrenia are two different things. In fact, psychosis is not always schizophrenia; it has many causes, depression that goes on for a long time or is left untreated being one of them. Drug misuse or abuse, stress, physical illness, can all cause psychotic symptoms very similar to some forms of schizophrenia. None of them will definitely lead to the onset of schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia itself is such a wide-ranging spectrum of disorders it's almost impossible to pinpoint one cause. There is almost certainly some genetic predisposition in many cases. Again, cannabis use has been linked to the onest of schizophrenia in susceptible individuals, and there are also certain changes in the brain that are linked to schizophrenia (such as a reduction of grey matter and structural differences) that would strongly suggest that it is primarily a brain disease. A large number of sufferers also show characteristics such as differences in the way they track movement with their eyes, that would suggest a physical cause rather than the once popular theory that it was some form of psychological disorder.

There are probably many more than just one cause, and it's very likely that what causes the illness to develop in one person may not cause it to develop in another. Some people, it seems, and genetically predisposed to the disorder; but that does not mean that they will definitely develop it.

There's also the issue of the thousands of people who are misdiagnosed as having schizophrenia, who in fact are suffering from some other psychosis that mimics schizophrenia. Because of this, here in the UK, psychiatrists are tending to take longer and longer to return a diagnosis of schizophrenia, giving them opportunity to rule out other psychoses and neurotic disorders or personality disorders first.
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Postby Guest » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:48 pm

psychiatrist don't make good therapist sad to say. if the problem is mostly psychological, it is out of their league for sure. what are they really good for? professional drug dealers
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Postby Guest » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:49 pm

belief in a medical cause for schizophrenia, comes not from science but from wishful thinking or from desire to avoid coming to terms with the experiential/environmental causes of people's misbehavior or distress. the repeated failure of efforts to find biological causes of so-called schizophrenia suggests "schizophrenia" belongs only in the category of socially/culturally unacceptable thinking or behavior rather than in the category of biology or "disease" where many people place it.

here is another example of how social/cultural issues play a significant role in the cause, diagnosis and outcome of schizophrenia. this article is from a very recent industry based source.

"The multisite study of factors affecting the course and outcomes of schizophrenia in India found that 64 percent of the participants were in remission at a two-year follow-up and only 11 percent continued to be ill. Such numbers are likely to be reversed in the United States."

http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.o ... 57/1/143-a
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