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ISTP's and schizoid tendencies?

Postby ceremonialpork » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:54 pm

Think there's any link between schizoid pd and ISTP's who have loneristic tendencies?
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Re: ISTP's and schizoid tendencies?

Postby Dazz » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:03 pm

I think the only correlation between schizoid tendencies and MBTI is "I". MBTI's aren't good for determining pd's.
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Re: ISTP's and schizoid tendencies?

Postby EtherealStarlight » Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:57 am

officially, INTJ and INTP are the most popular types, followed by ISTP and ISTJ. so yes, sort of.
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Re: ISTP's and schizoid tendencies?

Postby SchizyOfAstora » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:03 am

Yes. But is rare since ISTP's are more world and detail oriented (due to their secondary Se: Extroverted Sensing) and schizoids are more intuitives that live inside their heads.
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Re: ISTP's and schizoid tendencies?

Postby creative_nothing » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:33 am

Dazz wrote:I think the only correlation between schizoid tendencies and MBTI is "I". MBTI's aren't good for determining pd's.

The only thing I am sure about MBTI is the "I". I ve done different tests and got different results, INTP, ISTP, INTJ and INFJ. The one that repeated was INTJ.

But you could say that "I" Pds are StPD, PPD, SzPD, AvPD and OCPD
Extroverted PDs are HPD, DPD, NPD, AsPD and BPD.

Of course this is using Kernberg model. There will be different interpretation of PDs focusing on other issues other than object relation theory.
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Re: ISTP's and schizoid tendencies?

Postby creative_nothing » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:19 pm

RedSoviet wrote:Yes. But is rare since ISTP's are more world and detail oriented (due to their secondary Se: Extroverted Sensing) and schizoids are more intuitives that live inside their heads.


I ve made more research and joining the threads I would guess schizoids are very likely IN??.

Maybe they would even be INT?, but this I would need more research.

Anyway the best personality theory for pds would be J Oldham theory.

It was based on DSM III so all his personalities should have an associated PD and vice-versa. Exception is the NPD that is associated with both Inventive and Self-Confident, probably because he postulated that there are two kind of narcissists, one of those is more sensitive.

You could check his theory here.
http://psyed.org/r/pers/pt/

The schizoid would be probably the solitary, but maybe also the serious that has no correspondent on DSM V after the inclusion of dysthimia as a depressive disorder(instead of a personality disorder).
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Re: ISTP's and schizoid tendencies?

Postby Dazz » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:36 pm

stirner wrote:
RedSoviet wrote:Yes. But is rare since ISTP's are more world and detail oriented (due to their secondary Se: Extroverted Sensing) and schizoids are more intuitives that live inside their heads.


I ve made more research and joining the threads I would guess schizoids are very likely IN??.

Maybe they would even be INT?, but this I would need more research.

Having a relook into MBTI, I'd say its highly unlikely those with schizoid tendencies are "F". So IxTx at least seems a certain to me.
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Re: ISTP's and schizoid tendencies?

Postby SchizyOfAstora » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:39 pm

stirner wrote:
RedSoviet wrote:Yes. But is rare since ISTP's are more world and detail oriented (due to their secondary Se: Extroverted Sensing) and schizoids are more intuitives that live inside their heads.


I've made more research and joining the threads I would guess schizoids are very likely IN??.

Maybe they would even be INT?, but this I would need more research.

Definitely yes. The schizoid description itself is very INTx. There's no doubt of the I. Since schizoids are very imaginative and oblivious to the world, that would put them in the N category. The T too is too obvious. Classical schizoids don't care about people, like logic and don't put too much value in feelings. Then only thing that would be unsure is the Judging factor (J or P).

Of course the chance of a total schizoid is minimum, so there are to be controversies. There's a MBTI test thread here in the forum that shows that some people are ISFJ's,INFJ's and INFP's (myself being one, although the tests that i do come up as INTP, but is clear to me that i'm a INFP due to my manifestations of inferior Te (Extroverted thinking)).
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Re: ISTP's and schizoid tendencies?

Postby creative_nothing » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:45 pm

RedSoviet wrote:
stirner wrote:
RedSoviet wrote:Yes. But is rare since ISTP's are more world and detail oriented (due to their secondary Se: Extroverted Sensing) and schizoids are more intuitives that live inside their heads.


I've made more research and joining the threads I would guess schizoids are very likely IN??.

Maybe they would even be INT?, but this I would need more research.

Definitely yes. The schizoid description itself is very INTx. There's no doubt of the I. Since schizoids are very imaginative and oblivious to the world, that would put them in the N category. The T too is too obvious. Classical schizoids don't care about people, like logic and don't put too much value in feelings. Then only thing that would be unsure is the Judging factor (J or P).

Of course the chance of a total schizoid is minimum, so there are to be controversies. There's a MBTI test thread here in the forum that shows that some people are ISFJ's,INFJ's and INFP's (myself being one, although the tests that i do come up as INTP, but is clear to me that i'm a INFP due to my manifestations of inferior Te (Extroverted thinking)).


Right, but do you have any statistic on that?

INTP is quite rare and INTJ also. That makes me think that if you are one of those two odds you are schizoid/typal are great.

About F vs T on this forum, well this forum is not the most scientific basis. Many people here are self-diagnosed, I think that those self diagnosis are accurate many times, nevertheless the schizoid of psychoanalysys is not the same of the psychiatry. Besides maybe those with F are more likely to participate on this forum as I think people with T are more likely to be secretive.
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Re: ISTP's and schizoid tendencies?

Postby SchizyOfAstora » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:37 am

stirner wrote:Right, but do you have any statistic on that?

INTP is quite rare and INTJ also. That makes me think that if you are one of those two odds you are schizoid/typal are great.

I don't know what kind of statistics you want but the jung test thread poll will help you.
It's clear that there's a pattern between SPD and MBTI INTx types. These types behaviours show some resemblance to SPD but that's doesn't mean that they all are schizoids.
I'm not sure if "That makes me think that" part refer to my statements or your conclusion that these types are rare.
My conclusions come from observation of patterns of personality displayed by schizoids in general.
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