Alice Day/GLogo clarification?

Hi guys. I've noticed "Alice Day" and "GLogo" words mentioned here around the forum but without much clarification. I googled it but there is nothing that comes up except for stuff like this:
http://voices.yahoo.com/alice-day-april ... tml?cat=34
I am not a paedophile but I'm used to similar writings coming from homophobes and I thus assume that April 25th is not really meant to be a "f**k a child day". At least from what I've gathered here in the paraphilias forum, I understand that a lot of paedophiles do not want to act on their feelings. So is this logo more like a support sign - if you would see somebody else wearing it, would you understand this as an invite to talk, share, help each other with treatment ...?
Thanks in advance for explanations!

Wow that link gave me some good laughs. People are hilariously uninformed. I don't know a whole lot about the logos or Alice Day because I didn't know about them until I joined this forum, but I can tell you that they are not anything like what was described in that link. I think I speak for everyone who posts on this forum when I say that we do not want to harm children and we want to help those in danger of harming children.

Exactly, that's why I started this topic. I assumed there is no such thing as "being proud of being a paedophile" and that you definitely don't have a holiday for it
But anyway, can you write something more about it? How do you try to help? It is very clear to me that people are uninformed. Paedophiles are regarded as the most disgusting perverts in the world and most people do not want to even acknowledge that there might be something else behind this paraphilia, not just "mindless raping of children". I try to be open-minded and see both sides of a story, but even I have difficulties to find positive (or rather unjudgemental, objective) stories in the media related to it. I think actually the only thing I ever found that presented a paedophile as an actual human being was the movie The Woodsman (and the documentary Chickenhawk, but it wasn't very successful in proving it's point). Meaning that people who do not actively search for information on this topic will never hear anything else than the general public opinion, which is obviously pretty unanimous. That's why I'm interested how do you approach people in real life? Because I imagine that it's hell trying to explain this to an average person.

bbanner wrote:Hi guys. I've noticed "Alice Day" and "GLogo" words mentioned here around the forum but without much clarification.

These terms originate in the ChildLove political movement.

Alice Day is both a celebratory pride day, and a day for political activism. It focuses on female attracted pedophiles. Traditionally, it's a day where you wear pink as a solidarity move. Ideally this should be done in public, so it's a good excuse to go out to the movies or just otherwise be social that day. Other political activities tend to be organized around that date, but given how decentralized the ChildLove movement is, any such events tend to be highly local.

The GLogo is a spiral heart design, with one smaller heart inside a second larger heart drawn in pink without lifting the pen. The symbolism is that the adult and young girl's hearts are joined, and the fact that the line is left open is to symbolise that the love felt isn't a restraining or restricting thing. The BLogo is a spiral triangle design (equalateral with base down) very similar in structure and symbolism done in blue. It's for male attracted pedophiles.

bbanner wrote:I googled it but there is nothing that comes up except for stuff like this:
http://voices.yahoo.com/alice-day-april ... tml?cat=34
I am not a paedophile but I'm used to similar writings coming from homophobes and I thus assume that April 25th is not really meant to be a "f**k a child day".

No. Still, it is nice of the hateful bigots to help me keep the date straight. I'd forget my own birthday if people didn't keep reminding me it was coming up.

bbanner wrote:At least from what I've gathered here in the paraphilias forum, I understand that a lot of paedophiles do not want to act on their feelings.

There are two camps in the ChildLove movement. Pro-contact and anti-contact. Pro-contact individuals believe in reforming age of consent laws and making it legal and safe for all involved for to date, have consensual sex, and otherwise act on our fantasies and feelings once those problems are solved. Anti-contact individuals are strongly against this sort of reform, and instead focus their efforts and advocacy on acceptance and/or treatment access for pedophiles.

The symbols and days are shared by both groups, and while they have their differences, are generally amiable with one another if only on the grounds of having worse enemies than eachother to deal with.

I would fall into the pro-contact camp. That isn't to say I'm a child molester (I'm not) or advocate sexual activity with minors in the here and now (I don't), but rather that I believe that legal and social reforms that would make such sexual relationships safe and legal are both theoretically possible and are morally right to pursue. I don't put these arguments forward here, because that isn't what this board is for, and I don't think the staff would particularly appreciate it.

Of course, only a minority of pedophiles are part of the political movement, and most haven't even heard of it.

bbanner wrote:So is this logo more like a support sign - if you would see somebody else wearing it, would you understand this as an invite to talk, share, help each other with treatment ...?

A part of the point of the symbol and the movement as a whole is the idea that there's nothing wrong with us. That we don't need to be treated for our pedophilia, though we may well feel stress and need psychiatric help from dealing with all the negativity and bigotry we face on a daily basis.

If you see me wearing the GLogo, you'll know I'm a friend, and will be happy to talk, share, and help however I can. And of course, that you aren't as alone as you sometimes feel.

bbanner wrote:Thanks in advance for explanations!

You're welcome.

bbanner wrote:Exactly, that's why I started this topic. I assumed there is no such thing as "being proud of being a paedophile" and that you definitely don't have a holiday for it

One of the big hardships we face is that we're isolated and divorced from our collective culture and history.

bbanner wrote:But anyway, can you write something more about it? How do you try to help?

I often wish I had it in me to do more, but my main activities center around raising awareness, shouting down the worst of the bigots when I find them online, letting as many pedophiles as my words can reach know they aren't alone and that all the messages they've been getting since before they could walk aren't true, and speaking out against the lies as loud as I dare in meatspace.

bbanner wrote:It is very clear to me that people are uninformed.

The people from the link you gave aren't uninformed. They're lying. There's a difference.

ChildLove boards are more strictly moderated on the subject of not advocating illegal activity than this one is. Advocate changing the law, fine, but one whiff of saying you should ignore the law as it stands, and you're out. There is no super-secret-behind-closed-doors subforum where this activity is treated any differently.

The people who did the research on our symbols and our days spend a lot of time reading such boards in an effort to quotemine and try to dox anyone they can manage. They know what we actually advocate. They're very well informed. They just lie about it.

bbanner wrote:That's why I'm interested how do you approach people in real life? Because I imagine that it's hell trying to explain this to an average person.

The easiest thing to do on this front is to ask a person to elaborate on their position. Most people haven't thought anything through beyond "pedophile=bad". Play devil's advocate and just ask what their problem with pedophiles is. You can correct obvious factual errors, like the idea that pedophiles and child molesters are the same thing, and that's already a step in the right direction.

I find most people, when subjected to this particular tactic, will readily admit that they think being attracted to children must suck for the people who have to deal with it, and that no one should be discriminated against if they aren't molesting children. Plenty of people will express a measure of admiration for those who don't molest kids, since they have a hard time imagining a sexless existence themselves.

That article looks so much like satire, but it's without a doubt serious. People really believe that pedophiles celebrate the rape of children, and spend their time out on the streets scoping out targets. How sad.

It's just another hoax spreading blind-fundamentalist-faith or generally conspiracy-thinking circles. Basically anything you comes with and sounds scary / can be used against certain groups get shared. No fact checking involved. It scares me, one charismatic person that finds how to use fear to manipulate people can easily get support of thousands of people for his purposes.

BLogo and GLogo are commonly used at both pro-contact and anti-contact groups, you can easily find them, it's not anything secret.

Well gee. I thought I liked pink because I'm just girly. Turns out I simply can't help myself.

And all that texting crap makes me laugh. They could've at least brought a young person to come up with that.

What a f#cking minge. I'm done with these people. Who brought wine?

xoPinkerbelleox wrote:And all that texting crap makes me laugh. They could've at least brought a young person to come up with that.

I know right, I thought to myself, I don't think I've ever used half, a quarter, an eighth of those abbreviations xDD If I got a message with all that crap in it, I wouldn't know what to do with it.

Thank you, YouthRightsRadical, your reply was very interesting and helpful!

YouthRightsRadical wrote:The people who did the research on our symbols and our days spend a lot of time reading such boards in an effort to quotemine and try to dox anyone they can manage. They know what we actually advocate. They're very well informed. They just lie about it.

And yeah, now that I thought about it I agree with you, the fact that they know about the date and that they have so much information on it indeed shows that they know what they're talking about but just like to spread panic.

Very easy to understand and down-to-Earth reply about sexuality and Alice Day YouthRightsRadical, thank-you for taking the time to write that up; it makes a big difference to the mood in this index to see that kind of writing here.