Did anyone else hear about this?

Arik wrote:

ElKahn wrote:I AM DISGUSTED.

With all due respect to you and your feelings, I have seen worse in a TV-14 rated series.

I've seen and heard of worse things too, don't worry

Here in England if a man has sexual intercourse with a willing 13-year-old girl it is classified as statutory rape. It is not clear from the article whether the victim had brutally and callously raped the girl or merely myopically yielded to her advances. Nonetheless, even in the worst case I feel that this premeditated brutal murder is far worse. And given the background of the perpetrators, I can't see how they're not more worthy of the 'retribution' they exacted on the deceased.

Zebramouse wrote:Shouldn't it be considered cruel and unusual punishment to send someone to a place where they will be disemboweled?

You'd think so.
But then prison culture is cruel and unusual. It's like a bonus prize ontop of the penal sentence.
"You get 4 years. Plus a bonus beatings! "

Prison is full of hypocrisy. People find an excuse to justify anything.
Best example for me was the guy from Somalia being harassed on a regular basis for his attempted child abduction, yet I got little grief and a teacher in for dozens of sexual assualts on his own students was the well liked chess champ.

This murder is just another sad example of cruelty becoming part of the prison sentence.

2. In the article it says that those guys killed a pedophile. Really? Again, why not use the word child molester? Because that is what he was. He molested a little girl, but who told them he was a pedophile? I don't believe that guy was a pedophile really, and anyway liking a 13 year-old girl is not very pedophilic. BUT I MIGHT ADD, rape is usually not a sexual crime but rather a power, dominance crime.

We have no way of finding out how this person identifies sexually. Neither does the maker of this article. The assumption that someone who brags about raping a young girl is a pedophile I think is understandable in the culture we are in though may or may not be accurate.

3. They killed that guy because they thought he was arrogant, or because he molested a little girl? The two cannibals probably thought "Oh, we should act on our urges, why not doing this to a "pedophile"? After all, they're scum of the earth!". I don't believe it was a coincidence that the victim was a child molester.

I find it strange that you find it offensive that someone assumes this man was a paedophile, yet assume here that you know the reasoning for two cannibals and not only that but assume it's some sort of "we should act on our urges". If the article made the same assumption about the man who was killed and said he probably though "Oh, I should act on my urges" I think you (and I for that matter) would be offended. I think giving everyone equal opportunity to be judged on what they do, not what we think they may have thought within the same article is fair.

It says a lot about the legal system and housing as well as culture both in and out of prison that this was able to happen at all. It's awful.

I don't agree with pretty much anything in our culture, that's my main problem and has always been ever since I was a kid.

I don't agree with pretty much anything in our culture, that's my main problem and has always been ever since I was a kid.

I didn't say I agreed with it either, I said it was understandable, as in I understand why it was done.

lifelongthing wrote:

I don't agree with pretty much anything in our culture, that's my main problem and has always been ever since I was a kid.

I didn't say I agreed with it either, I said it was understandable, as in I understand why it was done.

It was understandable because society is not on a high intellectual level yet, and most of people tend to simplify everything. "Someone abusing a minor is a pedophile", they throw words here and there without thinking twice. Or, "a man who has sex with another man is gay", while in reality he just wanted to try it or happened occasionally, but it does not make him gay.
If you get my point...

This is one of the many reasons I dislike society.

To turn it another way ElKahn; how would you label what you wrote about the cannibals?

My point is we all do it, and if we want people to stop equating paedophilia with child molester, we also need to take note of when we ourselves jump to conclusions or think we know more about others way of thinking than we in actuality do.

Worth adding that much of the accusatory terms layed at the feet of child-lovers are the same things that used to, and in some instances still do (Congressional floor speeches et al.) get laid at the feet of homosexuals. Only difference is bashing and defaming pedophiles is still publicly acceptable. We can only hope that just as homosexuality gained/is still gaining widespread public consciousness support, so to will pedophilia. Or at leats be more distinct from child molestor equations.

Homosexuality is something concerning consenting adults.
Pedophilia is about an adult sexually desiring a child.
It's a big and significant difference, I doubt sex/love between an adult and a child will be socially accepted one day, but I think it could be possible. There are very few chances right now, but who knows?