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The Beholder wrote:i don't believe that people who don't have outlets are any more likely to rape than those who do. outlets don't prevent rape. they ease frustration, but a person can't get so sexually frustrated that they suddenly desire to hurt someone.

A big reason people resort to rape is because of sexual frustration. If someone has a "outlet", they have less of a chance of resorting to alternative means. Even if it's temporary or not as fulfilling, it's still better than nothing.

The Beholder wrote:all catholic priests live in celibacy. the issue there is that the desire those men (and women, nuns and female teachers committed rapes as well) had was for rape. that they were in positions of authority that allowed them to carry those rapes out is the reason they happened.

People are in a position to carry out rape or child molestation constantly but very few choose to, even amongst those who have such desires. The priests had no way to get release and apparently lacked will power to restrain themselves so they committed the crimes. I do not believe that nearly so many of them would have molested children if they had had some means to fulfil their desires by means or pornography or even masturbation while fantasizing. The problem in many isolated fundamentally religious groups is exactly this, they have an extremely disapproving view on sexuality, which leads to restrictions on masturbation, which leads to anxiety and even real rape.

The Beholder wrote:that would still have happened if they'd regularly engaged in harmless sexual activity, because that's not what they desired. they desired the feeling of power that comes from dominating someone who could not defend themselves. people who desire that cannot be appeased, and someone like myself who does not desire that cannot be made to desire it through abstinence. it is a myth that someone who is not sexually satisfied will suddenly desire to force themselves on someone.

Again, I find it extremely bizarre that you apparently find rape as the only desire that cannot be fulfilled safely through different sexual outlets. People can fantasize of such activity, watch drawn porn that simulates rape, for example.

I'm personally not into rape in the least measure but I'm a pedophile and just like someone with a desire to rape I know my sexuality when acted upon a real person would be devastating and selfish beyond any measure. I project my own circumstance to those who might have a fetish for rape and I see no problem with the idea that they might as well use outlets to gain satisfaction, especially if they do not want to rape people in real life given the suffering it entails.

And no, I'm by no means saying all people in celibacy or abstinence will automatically molest or rape or do any inappropriate sexual acts on anyone. I'm just arguing that the likelihood of a sexually frustrated person committing a sex crime is higher than someone's who is not sexually frustrated (given the two persons have roughly the same psychology in other aspects).

the same thing that occurred in the catholic church also occurred in the mormon church and the jehova's witness religion, and famously the american boy scouts. none of those people were celibate, they were simply in a position of authority over children. i doubt any of them were even paedophiles. they just enjoy inflicting themselves on the helpless.

there is this idea in society that all men have this rapist deep inside them, that they can get so sexually frustrated that they can "lose control" and force themselves on someone. this idea is factually wrong and extremely harmful, as it promotes misandry and blame-the-victim arguments like "of course she got raped, look at what she was wearing".

a person who does not enjoy the idea of sexually dominating someone cannot be made to desire that by being sexually frustrated. it can't happen.

The Beholder wrote:the same thing that occurred in the catholic church also occurred in the mormon church and the jehova's witness religion, and famously the american boy scouts. none of those people were celibate, they were simply in a position of authority over children. i doubt any of them were even paedophiles. they just enjoy inflicting themselves on the helpless.

there is this idea in society that all men have this rapist deep inside them, that they can get so sexually frustrated that they can "lose control" and force themselves on someone. this idea is factually wrong and extremely harmful, as it promotes misandry and blame-the-victim arguments like "of course she got raped, look at what she was wearing".

a person who does not enjoy the idea of sexually dominating someone cannot be made to desire that by being sexually frustrated. it can't happen.

I agree. Barring mental illness, we're all responsible for our actions, and no one else is responsible for providing "outlets" for our desires. I don't buy the whole sexual frustration thing; masturbation may not be the ideal form of release, but it's free and readily available. Everyone has desires they can't reasonably act on; and many of us manage them without resorting to violence or coercion. It's called being a grown-up.

a person can't be driven to rape if they don't desire it in the first place. myself, i can't even get aroused by the thought of a girl who isn't happy. but there are people out there who get off on causing someone fear and anguish.

The Beholder wrote:a person who does not enjoy the idea of sexually dominating someone cannot be made to desire that by being sexually frustrated. it can't happen.

But those who do desire it are safer to have around if they have a way to get sexual release in an harmless way. For example, Milton Diamond in his study concerning the effects of porn found that countries with better availability of porn had lesser sex crimes than countries that restricted access to porn. There were numerous countries involved in the study:

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/artic ... crime.html

One of the arguments used to explain the difference in data was the claim that people used porn as an alternative way to get sexually "fulfilled" instead of acting on harmful desires on real people live (like fantasies involving rape or child molestation).

It seems to me there is this problem in our communication. You perhaps think I argue for some inner rapist that lives in every male and is awakened by lack of sexual outlets. That has never been my argument, I'm strictly speaking of those who do have fetish for something that would be harmful to act on and who may well find sexual outlets as helpful in their struggle with their sexuality. This is the reason I was enraged by some thought police's witch-hunt-like opposition to outlets such as child-sized sex dolls.

I hope this clarified..

that's a very simplistic interpretation of that. i think that shows that people who are raised in sexually repressed cultures are more likely to have such an unhealthy view of sexuality that they would see domination as appealing. not that those other places are just full of satisfied potential rapists, but that they actually have fewer potential rapists.

you should read bertrand russell's "marriage and morals" and see what he has to say about healthy sexual outlooks.