kim and steve cooper

i'm curious what people think about kim and steve cooper who run narcissism cured.

thanks!
emme

...Oh man, this is starting to sound interesting.

Narcissism Cured Home Page wrote:Narcissists don't think anything is wrong with them and so will not stick with therapy anyway (and we believe this is why many professionals don't believe there is any effective treatment for NPD), so please, if symptoms on this page sound like you or your partner, don't rush out to find a psychologist, psychiatrist or doctor (or get lost in the gloom online while searching for information on this subject) until you receive our sound practical guidance. Don't worry, soon I will direct you in where to get help and guide you step by step on how to do this correctly, without making the mistakes that most people do.

Narcissism Cured Home Page wrote:The first step... First I want you to subscribe to my email list; (Don't worry, I'm NOT a narcissist or anything!) I have tons of free information I want to send you, including our radio shows and movies and I will also send you an occasional special offer on our ebooks and audio therapy products.

Jesus, this woman [Kim Cooper] looks a bit plastic. In the first video, she keeps a sardonic smile at practically every remark of negativity. I think that's a bit out of the ordinary and strange.

In the second video, it's very weird that her voice gets happy and she expresses excitement when she mentions her e-mail list. Also, why couldn't they just tell us the three questions there? Hmm. Strange, no?

Okay, the third and final video just kinda made me think WTF. It's like Disney Land meets Narcissism treatment. Why did they choose that music, and why are they, again, advertising their tips as if it's some sort of product?

Now onto their "Subscribe page":

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:3 Questions to know you are not the abuser.

Ok, this seems innocent enough, I suppose. No complaints.

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:3 Things to stop doing immediately that will only make your marriage worse.

Again, innocent enough.

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:Sample sections from all of Kim’s books.

Ok, this is where things get devious. This seems innocent, but it's actually an advertising ploy. You see, if they were truly out to solely help you, why not include the entire books or links to said books? ;P

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:The main difference between people who are victimised and people who command respect (including pictures).

I only have a slight complaint about this: What's so special about pictures? This sounds like a 3-year old's picture book.

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:13 Steps of how Steve and I ended the fights.

Alright, fair enough.

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:Exercises to build lasting love, trust and respect.

Sounds good.

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:Links to our weekly free radio shows.

Um. Advertisement?

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:Movies to help your understand your emotions including anger and jealousy.

This one seems of good motive, but I'm not sure.

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:Links to free information [on?] our other websites.

Um, wow. A typo? That's unprofessional. My perfectionism aside: This sounds like a very obvious advertisement.

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:12 points to stop a fight in progress.

Ok. Thou art innocenticus.

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:An understanding of what causes narcissism and why narcissists act the way they do (which will help you find closure even if your partner has left).

Innocent, I suppose.

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:Information on how to deal with other family members who show signs of NPD.

Again, innocent. They're on a roll!

Narcissism Cured Subscribe Page wrote:Support as a subscriber on Kim’s personal email list.

Slightly advertisement-esqe, but innocent, I suppose.

I've come to a conclusion that this is a bit of a gimmick, but I'm going to continue researching. I'll post back if anything interesting turns up.

i can't wait to read what you think of them! i'll check back later....

emme

Ok... Now this is creepy.



There's quite a few things wrong with this picture. I'm not sure where to begin...

Okay, first. Look closely at their picture. They use white. There is a reason for this. (I'm not sure if this is intentional or not.) White is associated with God, holiness, and general goodness. Now, their overuse of white is disconcerting to me. It is almost as though they are saying they are Gods. Then the text. Well, that makes it even creepier:

"Well Done You Made It . . ."

I admit, there is nothing sinister about this. However, given that text, the picture, and their bottom sentence in that paragraph, I feel as though they are trying to assert themselves as Gods of curing narcissism:

"The time you have spent searching for answers has finally paid off and you have done very well to find us.

Now that sounds like a grandeur sense of worth, going so far to say, "You have done well to find us." I'm beginning to suspect they're both narcissists.

Ok. I'm disinterested in this now. This is just like one huge "Everything else does not work, but trust us! We have the solution! Buy our products!"

Characteristics wrote:Ok... Now this is creepy.



There's quite a few things wrong with this picture. I'm not sure where to begin...

The idea "religious cult" jumped at my face instantly. I got the exact same feeling looking at Sam Vaknin site. Their presentation (and that of "good intentioned" narcs in general) has a feeling of cult that jumps at you instantly. And not just superficially, reading Sam Vaknin in general (and probably them too if I were to guess) there was a feeling of cult.

Characteristics wrote:
Okay, first. Look closely at their picture. They use white. There is a reason for this. (I'm not sure if this is intentional or not.) White is associated with God, holiness, and general goodness. Now, their overuse of white is disconcerting to me. It is almost as though they are saying they are Gods.

They should've gone with black; it's slimming.

I may be wrong, as I only skimmed through their site. But Steve Cooper has not seemed to change a bit. Aside from the fact that they're not professionals in the area of psychology or marriage counseling yet sell books on the subject... Mr. Cooper is, as it appears to me, using the setup as a form of N-supply. He gets off on being seen as an expert without having to endure 8+ years of schooling to achieve the title.

In disclaimer: Nothing on this website should be construed as an attempt to diagnose, treat or cure.

Peptron wrote:The idea "religious cult" jumped at my face instantly. I got the exact same feeling looking at Sam Vaknin site. Their presentation (and that of "good intentioned" narcs in general) has a feeling of cult that jumps at you instantly. And not just superficially, reading Sam Vaknin in general (and probably them too if I were to guess) there was a feeling of cult.

Sam's site actually gave me less of the creeps. (By the way, when I say creeps, I don't mean fear or anything. I use creeps for the provocative effect and I like being melodramatic. Plus, there isn't really a term to describe what I feel that is similar to the "creeps".)

Myers wrote:They should've gone with black; it's slimming.

I know, right?

P.S. I think I went a bit overboard with my analysis, lol.

Characteristics wrote:P.S. I think I went a bit overboard with my analysis, lol.

lol It was entertaining.

Also the disclaimer made me laugh. It's all a load of bull.

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the feedback, it honestly really helps us.

I'm new here, I hope it's OK that I reply to a few of the topics within various posts in this thread.

I really want to reply to the 'cult' comments. Kim and I are such private people. We *really* do not like the idea of being in front of a crowd. The internet is a place where we can voice our opinions in a very 'cult of personality' kind of manner, because that is what is *effective* on line. However, we have no dogma to push on anyone, and we tremble at the suggestion of hosting weekend workshops. We have three lovely kids who demand loads from us each day and who need us to be stable parents. We are confident about our message, but we do not need a fan club.

Our message is a completely truthful account of our experience. Our marketing approach is an important part of getting the message out there. Our site is helping loads of people get through the toughest period of their life, and each day we help people at no charge. Sometimes even helping people learn how to use their computer. This work can be very humbling.

We are non-experts. We make it very clear that we do not hold qualifications in this field. The fact that we are ordinary people, prepared to talk about our previously violent marriage is the reason why so many people are interested. Our message is not gospel, but neither is a professional's.

Neither are we actors. When we make a video, we're both really nervous, please don't judge us on our ability to perform in our videos. We are usually talking about a very humiliating time from our past, a time that we really don't want to be too famous for. We' hope to bust open the taboo subject of domestic violence-abuse, we hope to make it OK for others to talk about it honestly.

In terms of the photos, we paid a stylist for a photo shoot, he suggested all white. We didn't really have any reason to argue with him. We got two usable shots from the shoot. Anyway, to be honest, I would rather look angelic than shabby.

Kim has written at length about the cure-no cure debate, here is her page from the front page of our website.

http://www.narcissismcured.com/Are_We_C ... _Cure.html

Thanks for the chance to reply, Kim and I hope to be a positive influence on this debate.

Steve Cooper.

Ahahahahaha! Welcome Steve. Do you mind if I call you "Steve"? Or would you prefer "Mr. Cooper"? It's a pleasure to meet you, Steve/Mr. Cooper. It really, really is. It's also very narcissistic of you to skim through the vast interwebz for mentions of yourself, and then compulsively defend yourself against our accusations. And it's very psychopathic of me to subtly point out your flaws, but I'm not the one trying to change.

I'd also like to point out that posting links to your site in forum posts is against regulations. You can, however, put the link in your signature or add the link in your profile, and it will show up under your display name.

And, next time, go with a darker color. It's more slimming.