forms of the hpd's impressionistic speech you've noticed

masquerade wrote:Hey, I've noticed something that I still do. When I'm in a lighthearted mode, I will over-use exclamation marks. One exclamation mark simply won't suffice!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't carry the same impact. Would this qualify as a type of impressionistic speech?

no but it qualifies as good use of sarchasm.

- Labor.

ddca wrote:What about, in an argument or any other type of situation she sees has a ''battle to win'', when losing, simply starts yelling:

AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! YOUR WRONG!!

or in a badminton game against me... if more people are there and I am winning against here, she starts:

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! I AM SO BAAAADDDDDD!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHH!

does it qualify for impressionistic speeech??

maybe entertaining or juvenile depending on your own mental state.

- Labor.

here is another form...

"Your one of the good guys!" (why, what makes me a good guy...? what specific frame of reference is being used to say I'm good...or bad for that matter?).

"Your great" (same theory above...)

or as my ex hpd told me last year...

"i love it" (what is "it"?).

"I need it" (need what...there was no frame of reference).

Note: some of us all use this (how did you like that impressionistic noun i just used "this"...like what is "this" . ok, anyway...) it is a matter of

Consistency.

when i am seeing a doctor i'd say

'i am so sick '
'how sick?'
'it feels like it's @@@'
'how @@@? there are many kinds of @@@'
'it's just @@!!!'

Hehe.

The personality profile for ENFP mentions that they don't care about being particular or specific because they are abstract/intuitive people. They have good people skills though so it seems like hpd is the fallen enfp.

The personality profile for ENFP mentions that they don't care about being particular or specific because they are abstract/intuitive people. They have good people skills though so it seems like hpd is the fallen enfp.

Guilty as charged for using the phrase *You're one of the good guys* . It was perhaps described in an impressionistic way, when maybe I could have gone into more detail, but that's just not my style of speech sometimes. I guess it was my way of saying "I can see your likeable qualities and that you might get it wrong and struggle sometimes, but you have no real harm in you" Sometimes people just are as they are, as the above quote says. None of us can change our fundamental personalities, we can only work upon the disordered aspects of them.

"i love you"

Let's flip the script. out of all pd's i've examined, the hpd gets nons to say, "i love you" the quickest.

yet the nons, 'i love you' to the hpd is often impressionistic (lacking in detail....like how many hpd's here have heard a non say, 'i love you' too soon when there wasn't enough detail/emotional connections and experiences, to really justify a reasonalbe, "I love you".

alway we focus on how "the hpd sees relationships more intimate than they really are".

oh yea?
really?

then why is it the nons who usually tell them, "i love you"....such an impressionistic phrase that we often hear the hpd lingo:

"The Game"

and when the non says that too sone.

the game is over.

ironic though, because even though in this instance i have cited the impressionistic languene is inverted and applied to the non "with hpd, with the hpd".....well, u may find it intersting because not only does the hpd often unknowingly use it, they also, imo, get the nons to use it as well-as briefly cited above.

Tadlock wrote: ironic though, because even though in this instance i have cited the impressionistic languene is inverted and applied to the non "with hpd, with the hpd".....well, u may find it intersting because not only does the hpd often unknowingly use it, they also, imo, get the nons to use it as well-as briefly cited above.

Tadlock...every Non that came on this forum, had their own issues. You, me and all the rest. The whole experiaece was the result of the distraction of dysfunction, as a result of other issues in our lives.

Yes..we were and in some cases are still thinking and behaving in a flawed way. Just like those we experienced. Like you said, no contact only goes so far, but maybe a first step to clarity and to ourselves.

OK

oksayhi212 wrote:

Tadlock wrote: ironic though, because even though in this instance i have cited the impressionistic languene is inverted and applied to the non "with hpd, with the hpd".....well, u may find it intersting because not only does the hpd often unknowingly use it, they also, imo, get the nons to use it as well-as briefly cited above.

Tadlock...every Non that came on this forum, had their own issues. You, me and all the rest. The whole experiaece was the result of the distraction of dysfunction, as a result of other issues in our lives.

Yes..we were and in some cases are still thinking and behaving in a flawed way. Just like those we experienced. Like you said, no contact only goes so far, but maybe a first step to clarity and to ourselves.

OK

Very well...if this is your opinion.

Any forms/examples of impressionistic speech you've noticed?

Like would you concur that this is a trait of Hpd, to say the least?
So any specific forms or examples that you can bring to the table? Not like an example needs to be an all or nothing thing. I cannot think of one example, personally, where we couldn't say, "sometimes we all do that, once in awhile.

Imo, the dsm and other sources do not say, "the hpd uses forms of impressionistic speech that no one else uses normally", or, "the hpd uses speech that can only be interpreted as impressionistic".

Rather, the language is consistent, they consistently use it.....so like if my ex said, "you're a good guy", and kept saying that early so that the phrase is lacking in detail. Then i see her write or say in other areas to other people she just met or doesn't really know, "you're one of the good guys" (when I know for certain she really doesn't know if i am or not, nor the others she calls "good")....and if we see it happen enough instances over a short time frame, or over a long period of time, we have consistency....

OK, of course we had our issues, yet they do not negate nons often have used that one phrase in impressionistic ways (in enough hpd relationships, enough times, that one could argue that its a consistent or common occurance.

Distration

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Dysfuction

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Behaving in a flawed way...

issues...

as to what you said above: ExaCtly.

I concur that the use of impressionistic language as it is tied into hpd can invovle some of those things. Not doubting you there.

But to be clear: I'm not referring to a one instance thing once in awhile, but rather "mere examples" of forms of the impressionistic speech they use. Now, they may use the term, after you do or say one thing they like, "You're a good guy!", and on another near occasion they may use another form, then another.....to the point where consistency is established.

So then, as a mere observer....you can stack them together and connect them:

"you're one of the good guys" (say two or three uses of that in a few days in ways described above".
"another statement"
"another statement"
etc.

But if we take them and separate them from the consistency, then of course we could say, "we all have said that!".

Same with many of the hpd traits, like dressing provactively. "Many people who aren't hpd have done that".

One poster mentioned the "context".

Well on a forum, the "good guy" thing can often easily be out of context (never met someone, or to invite anyone as, "a good guy" online to take an action), it is simply out of context. Same with provactive dress (if it consistently happens in church, or at funerals, say...it is out of context).

Or if the dress style happens consistenly, it will be weighed into the hpd equation.

Anyway, OK...have you noticed impressionistic language from your hpd? Did she use it? If so, it would be interesting to know how and in what ways....as one of the things being stressed on the forum is to talk about hpd. And impressionistic language is part of it.

I realize that if any poster says one thing, that we weren't in that relationship or social context with them to notice the consisteny pattern of it (or how it was used as a stand alone statement with other similair building blocks of impressionistic language that enabled the poster to tie in that one ostensibly innocent statement into "impressionistic speech"), but that doesn't mean that normal statements used by nons (where we actually have authentic merit to use those statements sa we have the "detail" to back them up, to lead us to that belief or conclusion, etc) cannot be improperly used by the hpd.

So....take some of Millon's observations as an example....like even if a non noticed the religious hpd saying, "I prayed for God to forgive you last night" (and their was absolutely no particular offense committed, that has in fact verbatim been an example of impressionistic langugage cited in Million's work (you know of his work), because it lacked an actual situation where forgivness was necessary and presupposed wrongdoing when no wrongdoing was actually intended.

However the statement alone, "I prayed for god to forgive you last night", can be totally normal.

Well, Ok....

"I know you're not like those other guys, so I look forward to your reply".

Quit trying to study hpds on a support forum. You can ask questions instead.

masq was referring to a pm we exchanged.