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What's a relationship between two HPDs like?

Postby asphyx » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:44 pm

How would a relationship between two HPDs (1 male, 1 female) generally pan out? ie. Can they have a lasting relationship? Who would dump who? Who would push the other away first? How would they mirror each other's qualities? etc.
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Re: What's a relationship between two HPDs like?

Postby Chucky » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:37 pm

Is this for a sirvey or something, asphyx? I don't think that any answer to your question should be taken as the standard answer. Any two people - irrespective of their disorders - have come from different backgrounds and it's impossible to know how a relationship would turn out. In any relationship, you shouldn't condsider mental issues at the outset, because a relationships either work or fail. If they work, then great; if not, then move on.

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Re: What's a relationship between two HPDs like?

Postby insincerity » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:12 am

Probably asked out of curiosity.
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Re: What's a relationship between two HPDs like?

Postby asphyx » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:22 am

Chucky wrote:Is this for a sirvey or something, asphyx?


I was just curious.

Chucky wrote:I don't think that any answer to your question should be taken as the standard answer. Any two people - irrespective of their disorders - have come from different backgrounds and it's impossible to know how a relationship would turn out. In any relationship, you shouldn't condsider mental issues at the outset, because a relationships either work or fail. If they work, then great; if not, then move on.


I disagree, I think personality disordered people have very similar relationships because they are locked in a sense, into their own behaviours. Would you ever hear of an AsPD or NPD being controlled by a HPD? Nope, it always turns out that the HPD becomes a slave pretty much to the AsPD or NPD because of their specific behaviours.

Of course you can't tell what every relationship would be exactly like but you can have a pretty good idea as to how it will pan out.
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Re: What's a relationship between two HPDs like?

Postby flawless_victory » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:40 pm

Bollas actually mentions such an example in Hysteria where both married partners are HPD. I really should reread the thing, but IIRC, Bollas had one scenario where an HPD couple would act out in front of their kids at the dinner table, having a huge dramatic argument where it evolved to chasing each other around the dinner table, wrestling each other, throwing food, etc. and ended with them both on the floor laughing and the "argument" was over. All this in front of the kids, who played the role of audience, I suppose.
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Re: What's a relationship between two HPDs like?

Postby asphyx » Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:17 pm

flawless_victory wrote:Bollas actually mentions such an example in Hysteria where both married partners are HPD. I really should reread the thing, but IIRC, Bollas had one scenario where an HPD couple would act out in front of their kids at the dinner table, having a huge dramatic argument where it evolved to chasing each other around the dinner table, wrestling each other, throwing food, etc. and ended with them both on the floor laughing and the "argument" was over. All this in front of the kids, who played the role of audience, I suppose.


WTF LOL. I can see it happening though because after all HPDs are just like children themselves.

My guess on how a general HPD+HPD relationship would develop would be that the male HPD would end up acting too clingy and repel the female HPD, and he would end up chasing her to no avail.
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Re: What's a relationship between two HPDs like?

Postby Chucky » Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:00 pm

asphyx wrote:I disagree, I think personality disordered people have very similar relationships because they are locked in a sense, into their own behaviours. Would you ever hear of an AsPD or NPD being controlled by a HPD? Nope, it always turns out that the HPD becomes a slave pretty much to the AsPD or NPD because of their specific behaviours.

Of course you can't tell what every relationship would be exactly like but you can have a pretty good idea as to how it will pan out.

No, I never hear of that happening. Why? - because people don't normally consider what their respective mental health state is before they start seeing each other. I based my first reply to you on the assumption that it is impossible to predict how any two people will 'join' in a relationship sense - and I believe that my answer is 100% accurate (accurate in the sense that one can never know/predict).

You're basing your answer on little evidence, because there's no way you could have asked every couple out there thrir mental states and how they are getting on with each other.

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Re: What's a relationship between two HPDs like?

Postby asphyx » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:23 am

Chucky wrote:No, I never hear of that happening. Why? - because people don't normally consider what their respective mental health state is before they start seeing each other. I based my first reply to you on the assumption that it is impossible to predict how any two people will 'join' in a relationship sense - and I believe that my answer is 100% accurate (accurate in the sense that one can never know/predict).

You're basing your answer on little evidence, because there's no way you could have asked every couple out there thrir mental states and how they are getting on with each other.


What you are forgetting is that attraction is not a choice. It doesn't matter if the HPD or NPD/AsPD identify each other's PDs at the beginning of the relationship (they probably don't). HPDs don't choose to be attracted to NPDs or AsPDs, they are just extremely attracted to their indifference and emotional unavailability. NPDs and AsPDs literally CANNOT care about or love the HPD, and the HPD literally CANNOT fight the attraction they feel for the AsPD/NPD. So there is a definite pattern.
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Re: What's a relationship between two HPDs like?

Postby Chucky » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:56 pm

That's what I had been saying all along - i.e. that you cannot know which two will become attracted to each other in the first place. However, I extended this to say that there's also no possible way you can know how the two will actually fair in the relationship itself.
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Re: What's a relationship between two HPDs like?

Postby insincerity » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:58 pm

Chucky wrote:That's what I had been saying all along - i.e. that you cannot know which two will become attracted to each other in the first place. However, I extended this to say that there's also no possible way you can know how the two will actually fair in the relationship itself.


pretty sure no AsPD would get their heart broken by an HPD.
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