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Would a polygraph detect the HPD lies??

Postby 411needed » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:36 pm

There is some moments that my wife has made me question if she has been faithful? She swears up and down nothing has happened, but I don't believe her. I have told her that I want a polygraph to determine if that is true or not?? With the HPD, memory is none if any??

Would they be able to lie their way through a polygraph. If you can't remember all the details or if they have even happened, why not is what I think.

Does anybody have anything to suggest one way or another?

I want to ask if she has slept with other guys since dating me?
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Postby ccumm36D » Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:17 pm

Hmm... This question just screams out at me! "are you dating or are you married"?

Anyway, there is a reason why the polygraph is inadmissible in a court of law and that is because it's margin for error is vast.

Even someone without a PD could deceive the machine.

It's been my experience with a HPD woman that if you suspect infidelity then you have good reason to. The whole where there's smoke there's fire thing. Whenever I looked... I found.

The HPD will say anything, she will do anything to meet her immediate needs regardless of consequence. It already sounds as though trust is a casualty in your relationship.
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Postby donlimpio » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:31 pm

In agreement with ccumm36D:

1) the breach of trust in your relationship is probably more meaningful than the question of fidelity. Either way, there are serious problems in your relationship. Ask yourself why you want to pursue this relationship. Second, ask yourself why SHE would still want to be with a man that doesn't trust her. Think this last sentence over, because it is thick with consequence.

2) Where there's smoke there usually is fire. How much smoke is there? Maybe you should share this with someone. Looking back, there was sooooooooo much smoke in my relationship I couldn't understand how I wasn't able to see it. Truth is, I didn't want to see it.

The polygraph thing is virtually irrelevant in the broader picture.

I hate to say this, but if you want to go further down the suspicious minds path, just install a keylogger on your pc. This will enlighten you soon enough. A swift warning: do NOT install it on HER pc, or you will risk serious legal issues.
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Postby santa fe » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:07 pm

It would not necessarily be conclusive. For one thing, if they're HPD and pathological liars then they've probably convinced themselves and the lie is not really separate from reality to them––they simply change the reality in their mind and somehow manage to believe what they want it to be. If they have no conscience or remorse and are cool under pressure, confident that you have no other evidence, it may not trigger an abnormal physiological response. Regardless, a polygraph is an interpretive process and there are people who can reliably defeat it.

My HPD was a raving pathological liar and it still blows me away after realizing the false reality she got me to buy into. On one level of course she knows she' lying but to her it's completely excusable and justifiable due to no fault of her own. She still claims innocence while admitting only as much a I convince her I have absolute proof of even though all the rest is an integrally related part of the larger illusion.

One of the things that showed me what I was really dealing with was when I found something inconsistent I would not immediately let her know that I was suspicious and and then ask questions that required her to tell layer upon layer of lies to cover. Then when I'd finally call her on it I would only present part of what I knew. She would admit to and justify only that aspect and swear the rest was the truth. Then I'd reveal more of what I knew. This really brought the pathology of HPD to the surface and wrapped her in knots.

Here is a web site that had a lot of information on lie detection as well as characteristics of liars themselves and patterns, etc.

http://deception.crimepsychblog.com/
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Postby 411needed » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:30 pm

Yeah, she lies about everything. Even when I give her a chance to come clean she doesn't. It is serious stuff too.

Last night I made a list of all the lies and unfaithful acts and she has done so much. Most of the stuff is stuff you wouldn't do if you liked someone not alone married to someone.

She claims that she has not did anything with anybody in person, but the trust is ................ well, I have no trust for her.

I always wonder what she will do to me next and wonder if she is planning some kind of sneaky act. It is almost like she lives for it. Most of the exes from her past, she has been looking them up and claims that she JUST wanted to know what they were doing? WTF Why would you care??? I have never done that since we married.

She has no clue why it would be wrong.
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Postby posterboy » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:47 pm

You two should talk seriously either about getting marriage counselling or, failing that, splitting up. To hang around waiting for her to pull her next stunt on you is to set yourself up for more pain and anxiety. You don't need that in your life, and by the sounds of it, you don't need her, either.
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