What's the difference between DID/DDNOS beyond the DSM

OMG! brain overload!!!

i think i do understand it, though i wish there was a definitive list that could tell us who is an ANP and who isn't! It's all fine and dandy talking about and researching this structural dissociation stuff, but no-ones bothered to go beyond the surface and see what really 'makes' an ANP! and THATS the annoying part! haha

Tylas, i think you've done really well to get through that article, too waaay to much brain capacity on my side to be able to get through it!

I'ma ask my T about all this stuff when she gets back from her holidays... Maybe she will have some more insight.?

Dont ya just loved the 'cracked' references and the ones about how DID is seeminly easier to recover from thatn DDNOS!? Those parts cracked me up!

I'm with brandic here too, i'm soooo interested in all this stuff and so super driven to learn it all so i can organise it in my head but i need to keep reminding myself that the insiders arent going anywhere and i have all the time in the world to learn about this stuff.... I purposefully have to slow myself from getting too excited and anxious about this stuff! And like Brandic said, i think only we can be the real experts of our own brain! Because we're the only ones in there! (well, us and ours of course haha)

Great thread everyone, i'm keen as mustard to learn more!-- might be time to go get the haunted self from the library i think!

thanks!
H.

"weeble" - OMG! brain overload!!!

i think i do understand it, though i wish there was a definitive list that could tell us who is an ANP and who isn't! It's all fine and dandy talking about and researching this structural dissociation stuff, but no-ones bothered to go beyond the surface and see what really 'makes' an ANP! and THATS the annoying part! haha

And I missed my nap to do it! Maybe I can go back and read my book now and find a new topic to side track all of us. It's not bad at all when you just look at the summary, but when you don't have the background in Psychology and take on something like that .. dang!

Tylas, i think you've done really well to get through that article, too waaay to much brain capacity on my side to be able to get through it!

Me too! Whew! I am mind boggled! I have my MS in Work Physiology and BS in Biology, but that was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... long ago!!!! I never did take anything in psychology past 101 classes. The article was about HOW they came to their conclusions, when all we all want to know it the bottom line! ... more about how to tell who is and who is not the ANP, but my guess it's that still up in the air and there is not a definitive answer.

I'ma ask my T about all this stuff when she gets back from her holidays... Maybe she will have some more insight.?

Awesome. I am emailing mine tonight about it, but she is still contemplating the last pile of stuff from this book I sent her. If she is done reading the last book I was reading, I bet she borrows this one!

Dont ya just loved the 'cracked' references and the ones about how DID is seeminly easier to recover from that DDNOS!? Those parts cracked me up!

Don't discount that! According to the author E. Howell, of the book I am reading, written in 2011, that is a great theory and the only one she goes by. That's been my point all along with DDNOS. It's a mess! No one really knows what in the heck it is. DID they have done a lot more work on.

Great thread everyone, i'm keen as mustard to learn more!-- might be time to go get the haunted self from the library i think!

I put it on my Wish List as well!

Here is a Editorial Review for it
In this book, three leading researchers and clinicians share what they have learned from treating and studying chronically traumatized individuals across more than 65 years of collective experience. Based on the theory of structural dissociation of the personality in combination with a Janetian psychology of action, the authors have developed a model of phase-oriented treatment that focuses on the identification and treatment of structural dissociation and related maladaptive mental and behavioral actions. The foundation of this approach is to support patients in learning more effective mental and behavioral actions that will enable them to become more adaptive in life and to resolve their structural dissociation. This principle implies an overall therapeutic goal of raising the integrative capacity, in order to cope with the demands of daily life and deal with the haunting remnants of the past, with the “unfinished business” of traumatic memories.

hehe i suspect the book will be borrowed out and then renewed like 100 times! hahaha

My brain just sees the words and doesn't take in the information lately. Makes for very slow going and then i have to re-read entire paragraphs! Frustrating to the max! haha

I did some psych classes at uni, but like you, the were only the intro classes and it was like 5 yrs ago! (plus i suspect it wasn't entirely 'me' passing those classes )

im beginning to think we will never have a definitive answer on what constitutes an ANP and what doesn't. though, gathering all the data from different sources is helping to shape a picture of ANP's... namely; me! lol i seem to fit the bill perfectly for an ANP, i'm just struggling to see anyone else who is one too...(other than Lilly, the ISH/Carer) meh, i spose it all takes time hey?!

H.

Look what I found! A free pdf of Chapter 3! That's the one this thread is on! Yahoo! Her writing is not a whole bunch easier than that paper though, but it is a tad!


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Understanding and Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder: A ...
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Dissociative. Identity Disorder. Elizabeth F. Howell .... namically interacting parts have their own separate centers of subjectivity, ...... recognize that this aspect of the personality is only apparently normal; ...


http://www.psychoanalysisarena.com/common/sample-chapters/9780415994972.pdf

kooool thanks! will read it now!

-- Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:04 am --

oh no! i clicked the link and then it says it doesn't exist!! did i do something wrong??

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i just used the name and found it online thanks! lol

Fiddle Stix!

Try this. I fixed it.

http://www.psychoanalysisarena.com/common/sample-chapters/9780415994972.pdf

i just read his part and nearly fell of the chair!
It is frequently noted that the usually presenting part is not the original
personality. Actually, this part could not be the original personality because
no one has an original personality. A person’s sense of self and identity is
built up and synthesized over time (Putnam, 1997). Furthermore, the usually
presenting part is, by definition, a part in relation to and in relationship
with other parts in the total organization of the personality.

i had always thought of myself as the 'real' H. and that everyone else was pieces of me split off and made into their own ppl... but that i was still the original person in this body!! Eeek! Im not sure i like having my preconcieved notions challenged like this!

weeble wrote::shock: i just read his part and nearly fell of the chair!
It is frequently noted that the usually presenting part is not the original
personality. Actually, this part could not be the original personality because
no one has an original personality. A person’s sense of self and identity is
built up and synthesized over time (Putnam, 1997). Furthermore, the usually
presenting part is, by definition, a part in relation to and in relationship
with other parts in the total organization of the personality.

i had always thought of myself as the 'real' H. and that everyone else was pieces of me split off and made into their own ppl... but that i was still the original person in this body!! Eeek! Im not sure i like having my preconcieved notions challenged like this!

Oh yeah. That's the sort of stuff I sent to my T. I figured I caused enough up roar here! You are still the original in the way you are thinking of it.

Up to date info hurt! But change is good! That means they are actually researching and this author is sharp! It makes sense though. Did you see our other thread on this subject?


Take a few deep breaths before clicking this link! 1.... 2..... 3.....

Open your mind.... And accept that the year is 2011.

Do I sound like a relaxation tape.

dissociative-identity/topic67528.html

Tylas, i started reading that thread but lost the plot! haha right now, I'm having a VERY hard time with the concept that 'i' (H.) may be something different than what i am... I'm not sure i actively 'believe' in all this stuff about there being a hidden child part who is the 'real' me... as far as i know, that IS me! I AM that person! I'm just not a little! i know i know, it's probably all just me sticking my head in the sand like an ostrich, but honestly, whats the point in questioning everything I've been told by all the insiders??

hehehe yeah, guided relaxation tapes are always good... so is the warning to take a deep breath before reading some ground breaking new info like that! so thanks! hehe

sigh... i'm just not quite sure i'm ready to be digging into the deeper meanings of all this stuff, it's doing my head in! But it's like an addiction at the same time, i'm so thristy for new knowledge and trying to control(?) or have some sort of grasp on my system and its lay out but its so mind blowing and making me kinda uncomfortable to think about the possibilities that i may just be a part of the system and not the 'true' H... Does that make sense or am i talking cr@p? haha

Thanks for the link Tylas, i will definitely read it another day (bookmarking it now hehe) when i'm feeling less vulnerable and more in control...

p.s The SO is virulently telling me that theres absolutely NO way Lilly is another ANP and that i am the ONLY ANP.... i asked what hes got against it all (especially when he doesn't really know what the hell an ANP is!- other than the very basics Ive told him) and he responded by telling me hes scarfed that i'm just an alter and that all this makes it so much more 'real'! I commended him for his honesty and laughed saying "don't you think i have the exact same fears!?" haha
Needless to say, we left the convo right there because he doesnt want to talk about it anymore and will simply not accept that there may well be more than me as the ANP... its all too much for us both at this point... so i'm leaving well enough alone for the time being, i mean it's all just labels anyways... i know who i am (i think ) and i know who the others are and some of why they're there so i spose thats all that matters at this point...

Thanks for all the help though, i will still be checking back to see what else you can uncover! hehe

Good luck figuring it all out too, it seems exceedingnly hard, like a puzzle with some invisible peices making a picture you've never seen before.... or is it just me being overly discouraged? lol
H.

Seeing as you all are getting incredibly worked up and panicked over something that you all really have no exact knowledge off, I find it hard to understand why you are all continuing to read it. It's adding to all of your stress levels which is not really a good thing for your DID'ians. Now don't get me wrong if you feel like you're doing yourself good by reading all those articles, trying to self diagnose etc then go right ahead but I would leave it up to the professionals. What does it really add to know wether you're an ANP or EP? Is it really that important? You're system knows why they are there, why they are created and what their role is. If they're saying you are the Core/Host/ Original or whatever name tag you want to put on yourself, than believe them. I've read some of your posts and all I see is panic, confusion, stress and general freaking out. Avoid it, you are what you are and you're beautiful either way. If you really want to know, ask a professional and have them explain it to you. DID is not an exact science nor is PTSD, DDNOS or any kind of other mental disorder. There are no strict rules. Now this is my opinion, you can slam me if you want to but I think y'all should take a step back from all the studies that are out there and just focus on what's going on with you and how to get better and deal etc and try and enjoy life without trying to be your own psychiatrist. Don't judge each other on being DID or not being DID cause you're all here for the same thing: support. And we're all here for the same thing: getting support and giving support.