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Do I exist?

Postby Havoctoria » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:16 am

What if the people we imagine become real in the worlds of our imaginations, and can feel everything we make them do in our imaginations? I might not even be living in the real world and I can be one creative thought away from melting into pudding! I have alot of reasons to think I'm not real and none of you are real. They keep telling me I'm paranoid. Of course I'm ######6 paranoid!! I found out none of my memories were real once so who can say anything is true? This whole planet can be a daydream and someine can have a really bad day and BOOM wish us in HELL!!

No one listens to me . . .
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Re: Do I exist?

Postby riverside » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:24 am

hey there,


My alter called 'lost' comes from a time that we lived where we knew that we did not exsist. Actually We wasnt sure if we were the ones who did not exsist who if it was every one else that did not exsist.


I am not going to tell you that you are real or that i am because i can not tell you for 100% that it is the truth. How can we know it for real? We begin to dealve into the realms of philosophy. There is an old chinese proverb that gose some thing like this ' am i a butterfly dreaming i am a man, or am i a man freshly awaken having dremt i was a butterfly'.

In the end, i think i came to a choice of where i was happy being real, this world or the other. If i could steady myself and exsist- real or not it did not matter. Just being, as i am ment to be, is what i am , ment to be.


The question is what is difference dose it make to you if it this life is real or not, if the all in it is the same?

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Re: Do I exist?

Postby lifelongthing » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:58 am

Hi there.

I'm sorry no one listens to you. There was a thread about this very topic a while back as there are so many of us who experience just this feeling: am I real? What if I am just in a daydream? What if someone else is daydreaming me? What if I am just a story in a book? What if none of this exists? All of these are totally normal things to consider, and in dissociatives it is very common to be troubled by this and experience depersonalization, where you are unsure if you are real. Having the added complexity of being an alter, and complicating that again with having memories that are untrue (which is common in many systems by way of having alters who have had a different childhood than the body or believe themselves to be a lot older than the body and have had a life before entering it and so forth) it's no wonder these thoughts arise.

You are here. I can read what you are saying. You are real. Just as real as me or anyone else.
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Re: Do I exist?

Postby Havoctoria » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:13 pm

*facepalm*

I don't have this fear myself, but I wanna thank you guys anyway. :)

@Gray:

I can crap a better existence than this. Why would anyone dream it up? :roll: I do listen, but I don't know what else to tell you other than: No one knows. So just try to enjoy yourself.

If you ever wanna know if something really happened to you, you can ask me and/or Helen and we'll try to clear it up for you. & Trust me, you're no less "real" than the rest of us are.

I'm bad at this giving advice thing, so. Yeah. I don't know. :| Feel better, and I'm trying to listen.

-- Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:22 am --

"I took a deep breath and listened to the old brag of my heart: I am, I am, I am."

Think you left out the word "weird" at least three times there...
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Re: Do I exist?

Postby Seangel » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:21 pm

Hey Gray,

I actually kind of get what you're saying. And if I'm not mistaken, Miguel de Unamuno, a spanish writer and philosopher, would completely agree with you. He would say what if we are just the dream of someone dreaming, what happens when this person awakes?

You know what I've also come to understand since I learnt about the existence of DID?

We (human beings) are like alters, of a whole being. So in the same way all alters make a whole human being, all of us make... something/someone else?... don't know what or who exactly that might be.

So the "false perception" that we are separate is not any more. Because I am another you, and you are another me. In Lak'ech, Hala Ken.

Havoctoria wrote:No one listens to me . . .


If no one listens to you, I'm no one. :)

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Re: Do I exist?

Postby Violarules » Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:27 pm

I also get what you're saying as well. I have had these thoughts as well but something that helped me to overcome them is that I have to live with the reality I have, even if I don't think it's ideal, it would be better than being nothing and not existing.

Havoctoria wrote:"I took a deep breath and listened to the old brag of my heart: I am, I am, I am."


This is another thing. The only you can do is listen to yourself and believe that you do exist. As long as you believe it, nothing can really stop you from existing.
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Re: Do I exist?

Postby Seangel » Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:43 pm

I remembered something else:

One day I was in the bus looking out the window, and wonder, how do I know that's real? Because I see it? What about the things I don't see? Are the senses enough to prove existence? How about the things I feel?

I've read some articles that some matter behave differently when someone is looking at it, than when no is.

So what is real?

The concept I think is one of the fundamental questions of humanity.

But, you are real to me, right now, in this "reality" we live in.

Truly like your questions.

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Re: Do I exist?

Postby H-Black » Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:31 am

I'm glad to found this post ad to notice I'm not the only one with those thoughts.

Seangel, those questions I did to myself lots fo times, how do I know what is real and what is not? I really can't be certain about those things but sometimes to experience them is enough. Not to be sure about their reality, but the feeling that left is something strong enough... Or something like that. I don't know if I'm explaining myself properly... Is just sometimes happens something so good and you can enjoy it so fully that you just don't have the time to question it. I love those moments.
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Re: Do I exist?

Postby Seangel » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:37 pm

Hey H-Black,

H-Black wrote:Seangel, those questions I did to myself lots fo times, how do I know what is real and what is not? I really can't be certain about those things but sometimes to experience them is enough. Not to be sure about their reality, but the feeling that left is something strong enough... Or something like that. I don't know if I'm explaining myself properly... Is just sometimes happens something so good and you can enjoy it so fully that you just don't have the time to question it. I love those moments.


Yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying. Those moments that are so awesome, that I don't question whether they are real or not, and at that moment, I just enjoy them, feel them to the fullest, and that is that.

Yeah, I do get what you're saying.
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Re: Do I exist?

Postby Havoctoria » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:53 pm

Thanks Riverside, Lifelongthing, Reggie, Helen, Seangel, Violarules, and H-black, for listening and I feel better now . . . I'm always afraid something bad'll happen if someone thinks about it. All it takes all ready is a thought to make me not exist. To me I made this thread only 2 days ago. :cry: And I heard on that show "Brain Games" that whatever color something is, it's really EVERY COLOR EXCEPT FOR THAT COLOR!! :shock: :shock: :shock: What if I'm EVERYTHING BUT REAL?

And the weather keeps changing. Everyone use to talk about how NY never gets alot of snow or hurricanes and earthquakes. Suddenly we get an earthquake, all these storms and it snowed A LOT this year!! Something weird is going on and I hope someone thinks me away before it gets worse . . . :cry:


-- Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:53 am --

Thanks Riverside, Lifelongthing, Reggie, Helen, Seangel, Violarules, and H-black, for listening and I feel better now . . . I'm always afraid something bad'll happen if someone thinks about it. All it takes all ready is a thought to make me not exist. To me I made this thread only 2 days ago. :cry: And I heard on that show "Brain Games" that whatever color something is, it's really EVERY COLOR EXCEPT FOR THAT COLOR!! :shock: :shock: :shock: What if I'm EVERYTHING BUT REAL?

And the weather keeps changing. Everyone use to talk about how NY never gets alot of snow or hurricanes and earthquakes. Suddenly we get an earthquake, all these storms and it snowed A LOT this year!! Something weird is going on and I hope someone thinks me away before it gets worse . . . :cry:
So allein will ich nicht sein
Ich such dich unter jedem Stein
Ich schlaf mit einem Messer ein
Wo bist du? Wo bist du?


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