Bipolar and Borderline women are usually good looking?

Using statistics from the American Psychatric Association, 2% of the population have BPD and roughly 2% have bipolar. The US in December of 2008 has a population of roughly 305 million. That's 12.2 million affected by either disorder out of the entire population. In the grand scheme of things, that's not that many. Now what percentage of the population is considered attractive? Let's say the top 20% are considered attractive. Out of that 20%, let's say 10% are women. So that's 30.5 million considered attractive, and if we say, I don't know, 8 million affected by either disorder are female, and say 6 million of those women are attractive (being generous), then 6 million out of the 35 million (almost a quater) are both attractive AND affected by either BPD or bipolar. That's unlikely.

I don't think this is either a case of causation or correlation between beauty and mental illness. Even if the numbers were in your favour (and they're clearly not) that wouldn't even say that one thing is necessarily correlated with the other.

Also, avillax, if 6 million people in the US (assuming you live there, of course) are affected by BPD, what are the chances that you're three prior relationships all have BPD? 6 million out of 305 million? That's 2% out of the population? That's not bad luck, that's just very unlikely. I don't need to know you or your situation to realize that's crazy!

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Wow avillax, I'm surprised that you fell asleep after that post seeing as how you seem to enjoy writing long posts yourself and expect people to read them and to care. A little common courtesy would be nice and if you don't feel like reading it, don't comment on it.

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I think it's because we put extra care into our appearance. I wasn't particularly attractive when younger, I just am very aware about what sort of clothing/ hair/ makeup make me most attractive. Also, I think its a sort of internal charm that makes people find us attractive. There are more beautiful girls than me who aren't as attractive, I'm led to believe. Me at my best (in shape, dressed well, etc,) is very attractive. But me au naturale is not particularly special, although I have fairly attractive facial features... I'm not a sex goddess. I'm just smart about doing myself up when I feel inspired to, and since this completely changes my perception of myself, it is especially important to me. I had a bipolar/ borderline friend who was very beautiful naturally, but was very hippie and didn't really 'do herself up' take care of herself, but she was still very hot.. something about her energy and charm.

My mom has a good friend who is bipolar (mostly manic) and she is still gorgeous even in her 50's. Very inspiring and well-preserved..

Logically, there are many attractive women, just the borderlines probably just make themselves more noticed, especially as they tend to be involved with more men than normal.

This thread leaves a bad taste in my mouth and seems to be a completely unnecessary and shallow topic.

Avillax, you may not have a personality disorder, but have you considered other issues you may have? You've come on here making generalized physical characteristic stereotypes about someone based on a mental illness (which has nothing to do with physical characteristics in any way) in what I can assume is only a case of bitterness towards your exes. The men and women on this site are not your exes and are in fact human beings. They may share behaviors with your exes, but they are each unique.

Have you considered searching in yourself for why you keep attracting disordered women instead? It seems like that would be much more productive for everyone.

asphyx wrote:Most people with BPD (and also HPD) ARE more attractive than normal people on average, probably because they put extra effort into their appearance as it brings them loads of attention.

Some people put in extra effort because they need it. Truly attractive people are naturally attractive. Getting loads of attention doesn't equate to attractiveness. HPDs are a perfect example, because they pursue negative attention with the same fever as positive attention. Same goes for the looks. Attention is attention, even if people are staring at you because of how ridiculous you look.

For every attractive borderline, there's an unattractive one. There was a similar thread over on the HPD forum a while back. People really want their PD to come with perks, like resistance to radiation, immunity to insults, and Hollywood good looks. Unfortunately, not the case, though.

Wow, I don't know why people go so upset with avillax. He's simply drawing a correlation between his experiences with women and bpd.

There's nothing shallow about describing beauty. If beauty is so shallow, then why do women pursue unthinkable heights in order to achieve it and men die for it? There's something about beauty beyond the surface that makes a man desire her. It must because she takes care of herself.

My BPD girl wasn't so attractive when I first met her. Her personality change manifested into her appearance as her BPD became worse. She hated her old self so much that she had to change. I remember coming back from out of town one year and hearing how she suddenly became the talk of the town among all the guys. Of course, that kind of attention never makes a girl happy for long. No one wanted her for a relationship. She ditched her blonde hair that I loved, got rid of her californian tan, and became plain as jane can be. Now she's finally found a guy who likes her for her.

fiveintime wrote:

asphyx wrote:Most people with BPD (and also HPD) ARE more attractive than normal people on average, probably because they put extra effort into their appearance as it brings them loads of attention.

Some people put in extra effort because they need it. Truly attractive people are naturally attractive. Getting loads of attention doesn't equate to attractiveness. HPDs are a perfect example, because they pursue negative attention with the same fever as positive attention. Same goes for the looks. Attention is attention, even if people are staring at you because of how ridiculous you look.

For every attractive borderline, there's an unattractive one. There was a similar thread over on the HPD forum a while back. People really want their PD to come with perks, like resistance to radiation, immunity to insults, and Hollywood good looks. Unfortunately, not the case, though.

Lol, this thread. Who knows. I haven't met every BP in the world. But I've written about this before on the HPD forum too. I believe there is a link between vulnerability and attractiveness...and perhaps between good looks and entitlement issues. But I do think borderline behaviour is entrenched in something far more deep-rooted than just looks.

The rest, Mr OP, is just down to personal anecdotal evidence.

fiveintime wrote:Truly attractive people are naturally attractive. Getting loads of attention doesn't equate to attractiveness.

Clearly written by a man who has no idea the lengths these "naturally" beautiful women go to... most of them take great care of themselves to 'maintain' their natural beauty, put it that way. Of course there are women plastered in goo, wedged into tight clothes, and wearing about a pound of fake hair... of course that's not beauty, even if it exists somewhere under there.

anyway, who knows. I've only known two borderlines, including myself, and we're definitely both naturally attractive (but that doesn't mean this 'naturalness' is not aided by lifestyle choices and appropriate accoutrements, just like with any woman.) Maybe you think women just fall out of bed with perfect figures and hair and radiant complexions.. but you're wrong, for the most part. those things are bred as much as born, borderline or not.