Why you trollin'? (Part II)

(With apologies to shanzeek.)

It's been brought to my attention that a few borderlines are currently trolling the sociopathy subforum, (and perhaps other subforums) and that it's causing some problems and resentment there. (By "trolling" I mean, posting on topics addressing ASPD issues that the pw/BPD doesn't personally identify with themselves, and that the pw/BPD is not actively engaged in trying to understand from a humanistic point of view. In other words, not as a curious non inquiring in order to better understand sociopathy but simply as a borderline interjecting themselves into a conversation that has nothing to do with them. I'm very guilty of that, by the way.)

I'd like to explain my reasons for posting "offsides", and would encourage other borderlines to do the same, because I suspect it's because many borderlines are dissatisfied with this subforum, as I am.

I realize there's a real or perceived prejudice against borderlines on ASPD, but I'm not really looking to address borderline's grievances with the other posters on ASPD, unless it somehow relates to your reasons for being there.

I'll explain my own reasons in a minute, but first: do any of the other borderline cross-posters have any input on the subject? Why are you posting there? (I mean for those of you who are, of course).

no worries.


There're 3 and a half actual sociopaths there, the rest is just trolling community, claims of BPDs or so-called 'magical thinking' ruining the place are cute 'n all, but I don't buy 'em. The dynamic of the place is probably in relation to the fleeting nature of the disorder itself. I have no intention of apologizing to anyone for posting there as I'm pretty sure I never fail to act respectfully.

I come there in search of stimulating posts and ideas by courtier, crystal, steerfield, Quoth, Pavlov, etc, sort of became a ritual with my morning (or late) coffee. I don't think I post that often there at all, and when I do it's probably because I have a deadline coming up.

shanzeek wrote::lol: no worries.


There're 3 and a half actual sociopaths there, the rest is just trolling community, claims of BPDs or so-called 'magical thinking' ruining the place are cute 'n all, but I don't buy 'em.

I know. Personally, I think borderlines are being scapegoated. I don't see us causing any real problems; those problems were there to begin with. But the question of whether or not BPD 'interlopers' should be there is relevant, I think, whether we're causing any real harm or not. At least as I see it.

The dynamic of the place is probably in relation to the fleeting nature of the disorder itself. I have no intention of apologizing to anyone for posting there as I'm pretty sure I never fail to act respectfully.

The claim is that pw/ASPD have left because they felt encroached on and/or marginalized in a space that was supposed to be specifically for them. When there are so few spaces specifically for them. If that is true... and I can't say that it's not... I think it raises questions about who ought to be posting there, particularly if the only reason they are there is for "stimulating conversation"... Personally, i don't see why this can't all be easily and quickly fixed by the use of the block button, but...

I come there in search of stimulating posts and ideas by courtier, crystal, steerfield, Quoth, Pavlov, etc, sort of became a ritual with my morning (or late) coffee. I don't think I post that often there at all, and when I do it's probably because I have a deadline coming up.

Is the lack of 'stimulating conversation; the reason you don't post in this section more often?

I've seen your apology..I really don't think there was any need for it, you didn't do anything. It's pretty crowded at the moment btw, so claims of people jumping ship are false. I really took them as stirring up the pot due to lack of activity, it's hard to believe an actual sociopath would care about something as insignificant as this. They can handle themselves with 'outside visitors', I wouldn't worry about it.

Is the lack of 'stimulating conversation; the reason you don't post in this section more often?

It seems to me this place doesn't have that many regular posters, it's mostly people starting a thread about their own issues and disappearing afterwards. Topics also seem to get recycled a lot, and in general not much activity here. I prefer it there to be honest, unusual and mind-stimulating crowd.

I am not trolling i am serious.just because someone doesn't like my opinion and get easily upset with criticism doesn't mean i am trolling.he just gets easily upset. I am not willing to be a pleasing echo chamber. Plus aspd lack empathy so i can lack empathy in the forum too. I have the same right.and they should be understanding with my lack of empathy.
How do you know anyway who is and not aspd.everything you see could be a lie. Do you know all these nons or bpds what they really are. Lies are common especially in those who lack empathy. But even in nons

julllia wrote:How do you know anyway who is and not aspd.

This. Prove it or stop whining about others' non-ASPD-ness.

julllia wrote:I am not trolling i am serious.just because someone doesn't like my opinion and get easily upset with criticism doesn't mean i am trolling.he just gets easily upset. I am not willing to be a pleasing echo chamber.

I don't think that's the argument. They're not objecting to nons up there because "they don't like nons' opinions and are easily upset by criticism." They object to nons because they see non's presence there as irrelevant, encrouching, entitled, selfish, and a subversion of the forum from it's original purpose, which was not "to provide nons with interesting, intelligent dialogue" or "to entertain them" but to specifically address ASPD. There is some merit to that point of view, especially if ASPD posters are leaving.

Plus aspd lack empathy so i can lack empathy in the forum too. I have the same right.and they should be understanding with my lack of empathy.

I agree. The pw/ASPD up there are hardly models of good citizenship themselves. They snub nons, new posters, and anyone not in the clique, troll the hell out of their own forum, all the while pulling their ASPD card and claiming it gives them the right to do the same. If that were true, shouldn't I be able to pull my BPD card and say I'm a self serving attention whore... my BPD made me do it?

If your PD gives you a free pass to behave as badly as you like, doesn't mine to the same? On the other hand, if it does not, if we are are accountable, if as human beings we are greater than the #######5 hand that the combination of nature and nurture dealt us, then shouldn't we both be held to the standards of right and wrong? It seems hypocritical lay claim to any respect, ethics, or good citizenship from me while denying me any claim the same., from you.

How do you know anyway who is and not aspd.everything you see could be a lie. Do you know all these nons or bpds what they really are. Lies are common especially in those who lack empathy. But even in nons

I suspect it's fairly obvious which posters have ASPD or traits of ASPD and which don't. I have already said that I don't. I post on that forum because of what BPD has in common with ASPD and because my needs aren't getting met on this subforum, not because I claim to have ASPD traits myself. I know perfectly well I don't. I suspect the same is true for more borderlines posting there, if not most nons of any flavor. We're not posting there because we believe we're sociopaths, and it's disingenuous to claim otherwise. Whether or not anyone else can 'prove' it.

Naps and Dazz are schizoid; schizoid traits in Reaper, Scarlet and courtier, Quoth has a trauma disorder, Pavlov has bipolar, Hebi has BPD, crystal's PD-NOS, Knoxious' therapy reports make no sense at all, Eight is a non. What are we talking about here? I'd let this whole thing go.

shanzeek wrote:Naps and Dazz are schizoid; schizoid traits in Reaper, Scarlet and courtier, Quoth has a trauma disorder, Pavlov has bipolar, Hebi has BPD, crystal's PD-NOS, Knoxious' therapy reports make no sense at all, Eight is a non. What are we talking about here? I'd let this whole thing go.

If I could, I'd redesign the entire PD section of the forum to be divided by specific PD-related traits (that posters would self-identify as having), and not by diagnosis. I think it's folly to lump all BPDS together, all NPDs together, all ASPDs together, etc. I actually think that's a large part of the problem. The reason I post in ASPD is that, as little as i have in common with the regular posters there, I have even less in common with the regular posters on the BPD forum. I think it's crazy to think that pw/BPD have more in common/more to talk about with each other than they would do with people with an entirely different PD who nevertheless share the same trait.

Attention whoring, for example. The need for drama, intensity of experience. These are not PD-specific traits. I have to say, i think these problems are more due to a flaw in the design of the site and less due to the reckless selfishness individual posters. But a re-vamp of the entire PD section seems unfeasible, so... I do have to agree. I think the best option is for everyone to post where they feel comfortable, and for other posters who resent their presence to simply and easily block those they don't wish to read/interact with. Instead of fussing about it.

I don't understand why this is even a big enough deal to have a topic about. If you enjoy posting elsewhere just do it. If you don't then don't. Pretty simple. If other users have an issue with you then block them or ignore them. This website is the farthest thing from a safe space. If people in the ASPD forum are having issues they can also do the mature/civil thing and block the person bothering them, but quite frankly as others have stated I doubt a true ASPD person would care.

Plenty of nice people, and plenty of assholes who will try and kick you in the (metaphorical) nuts if you let them.

I'm unsure why this particular subforum is dead, nor do I really care. It's easy enough to click onto another once I'm done browsing here.