Karma

What are your thoughts on karma?

I am a believer of what you put out in the world is what returns to you. If we can get a conversation started about this I will share more in depth. I am honestly interested in what other people’s thoughts are on this topic. Even if you don’t believe in karma at all or that what you put out in the world is what returns to you I want to know why and what you do believe.

What prompted you to post this? I'm interested because I wrote something about my ideas about karma etc. yesterday. Do you think people can tap into thoughts at the same time and reference ideas without actually reading any of it?

Or do they have to read? If I think of something, and then this post appears.. but there isn't any direct relationship between what I think/write and what then appears on a site. I understand there are a lot of Atheists out there. I think in the context of mental disorders, past lives could have an influence the present.

They say when you're leaving your body, you're attached to that ego. The personalities etc you take on, they influence you, they change. They can change a lot. You could choose extremely different personalities, and lifetimes, life paths, then there is free will and I think it can screw you up.

There are some theories around MPD and past lives, and how it can be from having a lot of really complicated past lives that don't connect, but they have to. I think we can weave certain insecurities into the personality, for karma, to assist karma. There's integrity karma which is interesting.

It means that people see you like a sage, and think you're amazing, and then it dies. Obsession is just physics. It's a karmic slant on how things are, for that time, then things change again. It could be attachments from previous lives.

Certain people find that people are just so obsessed with them. They are always cool. It's gravity. At points, people just find you like a magnet, then, with the same push/pull thing, they can flee from you, to the same degree of intensity.

On another plane of the Universe, different era, different timeline, what happens first, doesn't matter/not sure. You won't remember. Usually you don't remember, you're not meant to, otherwise how can you learn?

But then, there are Atheists, other belief systems, what people think are influencing them now. What if you reincarnated as your opposite, or something/someone who will freak you out/has nothing in common with you. Same soul.

When souls suicide, also, they change their life paths, they end up having to change/modify lessons and can be reborn completely differently.

Actually lets make it a 2 part question.

If you were involved in a relationship with someone who was aware of being disordered and that person constantly said you were a person that you know you are not and have never been what would be your reaction to that?

Would it make you want to be the person that the person is saying you are because they have already judged you as guilty even if you're not ... even if you never have been. If they have already judged unfairly as a person overall. Why not just be that person then.

karma's a nice idea. But I get the feeling life's a bit more random.. accidental-like, to quote Forest? but I'm no philosopher..

I think that there's no doubt that if you treat people with genuine loving kindness in the Buddhist sense, given that there are times you need to address the behaviour of others appropriately, then your life will be free of much suffering.

That is Karma. Ripples in a pond that effect yourself and others for a lifetime.

Easy to say, not so easy for one to practice and having a BPD diagnosis means to me that one's efforts are more likely to be self sabotaged.

i sadly see karma in the self sabotaging part of the disorder. the bad news i self sabotage too.
the good news i do not need to obsess with revenge for someone who has aspd for example or npd (with denial)because the ironic joke is karma. they will self sabotage, fail(have a miserable life with hate) and they are not even able to see their stupidity to fix it. knowing that is kind of pleasure the same like revenge gives you

jhp wrote:karma's a nice idea. But I get the feeling life's a bit more random.. accidental-like, to quote Forest? but I'm no philosopher..

Perhaps you are correct. I still believe in my heart that what you put out is what you receive in return. Maybe it has nothing to do with karma as much as it does what type of people you are going to attract in your life. I hadn't much considered that. If you're good to others it would make sense that the majority of others would be good to you.

Merseamud wrote:I think that there's no doubt that if you treat people with genuine loving kindness in the Buddhist sense, given that there are times you need to address the behaviour of others appropriately, then your life will be free of much suffering.

That is Karma. Ripples in a pond that effect yourself and others for a lifetime.

Easy to say, not so easy for one to practice and having a BPD diagnosis means to me that one's efforts are more likely to be self sabotaged.

What do you do when a person is not deserving of genuine loving kindness?
What if that person has never given another genuine loving kindness?
I can forgive minor things and some even larger than that but there are some things I can not forgive.

I do agree that you suffer as well when you make another suffer but I would never be a ripple in a pond ... I would be the tsunami.

He has 2 parents who love him. They completely support him because he is too sorry to get a job and be self supportive. Yet he talks sh@t about even them. I'm sure they have no idea there son is telling others how his dad doesn't know how to wipe and has sh@t stains in his underwear. Because of this I know in my heart he has talked about me equally as terrible if not more so. I should have known better and for that I blame myself.

There was a man I respected who once told that when someone tells you who they are you need to believe them. I always want to see the good in people. I always think they are misunderstood. But it isn't that they are misunderstood, its that I want to believe i'm special.

How is someone that kicks a man in the head over and over again while he is down misunderstood. I think I may have idealised a person I could never accept.

julllia wrote:i sadly see karma in the self sabotaging part of the disorder. the bad news i self sabotage too.
the good news i do not need to obsess with revenge for someone who has aspd for example or npd (with denial)because the ironic joke is karma. they will self sabotage, fail(have a miserable life with hate) and they are not even able to see their stupidity to fix it. knowing that is kind of pleasure the same like revenge gives you

I agree that anyone with a personality disorder self sabotages but I don't think that it is their stupidity that prevents them from changing the damage done to another or themselves. I think some people intentionally like to hurt others. I think it gives them a "high" of some type. A short lived feeling of power and being in control.

I'm no martyr, but when someone says consistently you are someone you are not ... perhaps he needs to know he is not so powerful after all.

I have heard it said that a BPD is a mirror of another. I don't think it was me he was seeing. I think it was himself. I was showing him ... him.

For your second question, I have been in relationships with people who constantly said that I am a person I am not and never have been. They weren't always aware of my being disordered and many of them were not disordered, but either way, it was always the same: I was a horrible person who deserved to be hurt and abused. I don't think I ever became that person, but I do have a lot of internalized messages of self hate that I am still trying to fight and get very upset whenever people make false assumptions about me.

As for karma, it sounds way too much like victim blaming for me to ever be comfortable with. Too many good things happen to bad people and too many bad things happen to good people (Oversimplification, but gets the point across).

Baldanders wrote:For your second question, I have been in relationships with people who constantly said that I am a person I am not and never have been. They weren't always aware of my being disordered and many of them were not disordered, but either way, it was always the same: I was a horrible person who deserved to be hurt and abused. I don't think I ever became that person, but I do have a lot of internalized messages of self hate that I am still trying to fight and get very upset whenever people make false assumptions about me.

As for karma, it sounds way too much like victim blaming for me to ever be comfortable with. Too many good things happen to bad people and too many bad things happen to good people (Oversimplification, but gets the point across).

I relate to what you say. He would constantly tell me I am someone that I have never been. He is a high school dropout with no college education or work experience and yet he would tell me that my diagnosis was wrong and then diagnose me. In doing this it would fit into what he needed me to be which was this horrible person who deserved to be hurt. It was pointless to try and reason with him. I don't why I stayed as long as I did. I'm still trying to process it all.

The person he tried to tell me I am is the type of people he associates with and the type of person he is. He really has no friends and is overall disliked once people know him from what he says. He has done many people wrong and has no remorse. He just talks sh@t about too many people, even with those he considers "friends". He was exposed/doxxed not too long ago. I wouldn't be surprised if it were to happen again to him.

I don't like false assumptions being made about me either. I'm sure no one does but there was a time such things really affected me. It didn't even have to be anything cruel said it could just be constructive criticism but all I was hearing is I'm not good enough, I'm not perfect enough ... its painful. Perhaps unconsciously that is what I still hear.

There was a medication added to what I already take and he didn't like that I was on it. He wanted me to stop taking it. I don't remember the exact comment but it had something to do with leaving him or lack of control on his part. He didn't like that I was happy on it. What he didn't like was that I could think and not just react.

What a piece of sh@t. I don't know how I didn't see all of this. I had to of known it I just didn't pay attention to it.

"Thinking is difficult, that's why people judge." I see karma mainly as an expression of this. Judging others and seeing themselves and their own behavior as intact.
But karma can't be influenced or manipulated.