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Confused about both gender identity and sexual orientation

Postby art10 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:37 pm

I have been mentally ill for almost 10 years now (I am roughly in my mid twenties). I have been previously diagnosed with depression, OCD and bipolar disorder, and had verbally and physically abusive childhood and teen years. However, the limited medical treatment I previously received failed and therapy was never an option (I live in the third, or fourth let me call it, world). I firmly believe that, in addition to my primary illness of OCD and the desire for ultimate perfectionism, I suffer from borderline personality disorder (BPD) (extreme mood swings over external matters, identity confusion, chronic emptiness and splitting, mainly) which my previous psychiatrist refused since 'I had insight and don't cut myself' (lol). All in all, I led a hidden life all this period but I survived to appear as productive in the society and managed to get an advanced university degree while holding steady jobs from time to time. I have been addicted to porn for 12-13 years(!!!) and I am currently going through tough time due to a strong OCD episode of obsessively dwelling over past mistakes and catastrophing the entire situation such as 'I deserve to be punished and killed for my mistakes'. This introduction is just to set the tone of my post and judge it accordingly.

In the past few weeks and months, I increasingly became extremely confused about my gender identity (I am biologically a male) and also about my sexual orientation (more on that later). Before I try dissecting the link between such a confusion and my mental illnesses, I will elaborate on both my gender identity and orientation. At 'my best knowledge and healthiest me', I believe I am a male (like I have always been) and I am generally attracted to females. However and here starts the confusion which is still grounded in a healthy version of myself, I don't think of myself as a 'regular male', but more like a 'female male' or at least an atypical male. Here are the reasons why I think I am not a male (don't want to say 'transgender' in order not to increase the confusion):

I hate regular guys stuff such as cars, muscles, short hair, cursing, sex talk, etc... I also hate the 'male gender' in a sense like I feel different (and sometimes disgusted) when being near them. Although I don't do 'apparent' female gestures, I have mid-back long hair and a skinny body. I always wanted to have long hair from my early teens, it was like a 'cool' thing to do. Later on, my reason changed to reflect my musical style and life approach (metal baby!) but, as of late years and deep down inside, I love it because it really makes me more feminine and separate me from males. I am taking a balding medication and I am even ready to take female hormones to preserve my hair! The only thing I share with men is my love for beards as I have always been bearded. However, now I think of it as a social defense mechanism like: 'oh look at that guy who looks like a girl', me turns my face, 'nahhh he has a long thick beard, he can't be "gay"' (here used as an offensive word to reflect my 4th world society - no disrespect intended). I would like to try a cleaner look and always wear my hair down to appear more feminine but I will have the aforementioned anxiety of appearing 'girly' in front of people in a traditional society.

I remember when I was a child feeling 'as a girl' and happy when I once wore a jeans styled like a girly one. In particular and during my late teens, I had a dream that I grew small boobs. The next day, I felt really happy and more feminine than ever. Right now, I love cross-dressing and wearing lingerie. When dressed in such stuff, I usually admire my body in front of the mirror and say that I can be a beautiful girl. Luckily, I have a skinny body so my body can 'pass' (minus the beard). Whenever I see an attractive girl down the street, I'd feel sad and depressed because 'I wanna be like her'; have boobs, an attractive body and a healthier hair. I was mistaken for a female (due to my hair) in a few incidents, I loved such situations and continue to do so.

How I feel towards my own body: I really don't hate my penis in the way that is often described by transgenders. However and despite having a slightly below average penis size, I wish I can decrease it even more to have a micropenis because it will simply make me feel more feminine. I sometimes pass through hard and sad times because I want to have a smaller one. This brings me to my next point: sexual orientation.

Let me put it in this way (and this is triggering for me): I love females (both emotionally and physically) and my body (i.e. penis) tells me that I will enjoy penetrating them but my mind doesn't like the fact that I will be a top. I am not. I don't like to be the dominant partner. I want to be the recipient and the submissive/passive partner. Now, I don't consider myself to be attracted to males but I also love penises. This is what confuses me. I would never imagine myself in an emotional relationship with a male and even a physical one is not appealing to me, except for the penis. That leaves me to transwomen (or very attractive cross-dressers) who like to use their penises. Porn-related material of transwomen is my primary passion (which surpassed genetic girls a long time ago despite continuing viewing porn related to genetic girls anyway). I am still a virgin because if I wanna have sex, I want to do all the possible stuff which triggers my extreme OCD and fear of diseases. Also, I will 'lose my innocence' and become 'immoral' if I do it (yes, that's what I think thanks to my extreme moral scrupulosity and perfectionism. I am not religious at all, mind you).

Now here are my reasons why I think all of the above is invalid and I am just passing through an extreme mental illness episode and I require treatment as soon as possible:

From an OCD perspective and although I enjoy my feminine thoughts and feelings, it can be argued that my thoughts are an extension of Harm OCD, HOCD, etc... by saying that I continuously obsess over the idea, ask strangers on the Internet and reading other posts about this particular topic. I know I can never trust my thoughts because they aren't often real, especially when they are OCD-induced. However, what isn't common with TOCD folks is the fact that I enjoy my feminine persona and I don't hate it and I don't 'wish if I can get back to my real pure male persona'. Last year however, I had an intense anxiety and fear of 'growing boobs' because the medication I take has such a side effect. But now, I desire this side effect if I can hide it.

The next reason which is my ultimate fear (if it's true): borderline personality disorder. It is known that a confusion of identity, values, goals, career, etc... is a core BPD symptom. Why not a gender identity and sexual orientation confusion as well? I still haven't researched experiences of BPD sufferers with similar issues but I just can feel like my deep confusion stems from this core BPD symptom of mine.

Porn addiction: my worst enemy. Problem is, I really can't take a break to 'sort my thoughts and feelings out' as I am too addicted. As with most porn sufferers, I progressed from regular, normal, casual porn materials into more extreme stuff and almost all kind of fetishes through the years. Why not transsexual porn, in addition to my other fetishes such as being submissive and loving penises, is just porn-induced and I may feel healthier and 'more male' again once I get an appropriate treatment and abstain from viewing such materials?

Thank you for reading and for providing any feedback. :)
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Re: Confused about both gender identity and sexual orientation

Postby art10 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:37 am

Anyone? :?
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Re: Confused about both gender identity and sexual orientation

Postby Echinacea » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:05 pm

Hi and welcome art10
Sorry that you haven't got any replies as of yet.
there can be a number of reasons for this ..sometimes if people don't relate they sometimes don't reply ..that doesn't mean there wont be any just might take a little longer

Im sure you will get some replies
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Re: Confused about both gender identity and sexual orientation

Postby jaus tail » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:20 pm

Hello, i was in a similar situation a little while ago. what helped me was abstaining from pornography n masturbation.
i started gardening. researching the fertilizer they need n making it at home.
exercise each day. study for university exam. n this helps to some extent.

now i'm not confused about my orientation but i only have regrets.

I have been addicted to porn for 12-13 years(!!!)


This could be one of the reasons for your orientation confusion. i was addicted to pornography to the extent my laptop background image was one. i dont watch porn now. havent seen hardcore porn for maybe a month and the urges have reduced significantly.

Here are the reasons why I think I am not a male (don't want to say 'transgender' in order not to increase the confusion):

I hate regular guys stuff such as cars, muscles, short hair, cursing, sex talk, etc...


many men dont like all this stuff. one of my friend is straight n he doesnt know much about cars/bikes.

my one friend is muscular, other guy plays football, other likes to travel.

i guess most men talk of cars, cursing n sex just to show that they are in some 'man group'

I also hate the 'male gender' in a sense like I feel different (and sometimes disgusted) when being near them.


even i get uncomfortable around men n find it easier to talk with women. its all right, i guess. i'm genuinely a loner and it's got more to do with the fact that i dont like aggressive people.

there was a time when i was effeminate n wanted to be a girl. but i want to be muscular now n do the stuff they do in tv show american ninja.
exercise helped me come to my true terms. i also stopped watching fiction on tv n only see animal planet. not sure how that helped me, but it did.


Let me put it in this way (and this is triggering for me): I love females (both emotionally and physically) and my body (i.e. penis) tells me that I will enjoy penetrating them but my mind doesn't like the fact that I will be a top. I am not. I don't like to be the dominant partner. I want to be the recipient and the submissive/passive partner.


this is all right. even i dont want to 'ravage' my future girlfriend/wife. but i do imagine dirty talking with her. everyone is different. in fact its good to be gentle n caring, rather than aggressive in bed.

I would never imagine myself in an emotional relationship with a male


same here. maybe dont overthink. going for morning walks, adopting a pet may help distract the focus.

also stop watching porn n maybe reduce the masturbation. that helped me a lot. i joined nofap. that's for pmo addiction. just like this forum is a support group, nofap is porn addiction support group.

There are youtube videos for ocd by mark freeman that helped me:
you are not your thoughts
how to accept terrible thoughts
ocd guilt
ocd distractions

hope they help you as well...
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Re: Confused about both gender identity and sexual orientation

Postby angelinbluejeans » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:04 pm

I am very impressed, jaus. Your strength (the 'inner man') will be very impressive to a girl one day :-)
'do not hold back good from those to whom it is owing, when it happens to be in the power of your hand to do it' "To love well is the task in all meaningful relationships, not just romantic ones"
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Re: Confused about both gender identity and sexual orientation

Postby art10 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:39 pm

Echinacea wrote:Hi and welcome art10
Sorry that you haven't got any replies as of yet.
there can be a number of reasons for this ..sometimes if people don't relate they sometimes don't reply ..that doesn't mean there wont be any just might take a little longer
Im sure you will get some replies


Yes, definitely. Thank you for the encouragement. I got some, as you said! :)


jaus tail wrote:Hello, i was in a similar situation a little while ago. what helped me was abstaining from pornography n masturbation.
i started gardening. researching the fertilizer they need n making it at home.
exercise each day. study for university exam. n this helps to some extent.

now i'm not confused about my orientation but i only have regrets.

I have been addicted to porn for 12-13 years(!!!)


This could be one of the reasons for your orientation confusion. i was addicted to pornography to the extent my laptop background image was one. i dont watch porn now. havent seen hardcore porn for maybe a month and the urges have reduced significantly.

Here are the reasons why I think I am not a male (don't want to say 'transgender' in order not to increase the confusion):

I hate regular guys stuff such as cars, muscles, short hair, cursing, sex talk, etc...


many men dont like all this stuff. one of my friend is straight n he doesnt know much about cars/bikes.

my one friend is muscular, other guy plays football, other likes to travel.

i guess most men talk of cars, cursing n sex just to show that they are in some 'man group'

I also hate the 'male gender' in a sense like I feel different (and sometimes disgusted) when being near them.


even i get uncomfortable around men n find it easier to talk with women. its all right, i guess. i'm genuinely a loner and it's got more to do with the fact that i dont like aggressive people.

there was a time when i was effeminate n wanted to be a girl. but i want to be muscular now n do the stuff they do in tv show american ninja.
exercise helped me come to my true terms. i also stopped watching fiction on tv n only see animal planet. not sure how that helped me, but it did.


Let me put it in this way (and this is triggering for me): I love females (both emotionally and physically) and my body (i.e. penis) tells me that I will enjoy penetrating them but my mind doesn't like the fact that I will be a top. I am not. I don't like to be the dominant partner. I want to be the recipient and the submissive/passive partner.


this is all right. even i dont want to 'ravage' my future girlfriend/wife. but i do imagine dirty talking with her. everyone is different. in fact its good to be gentle n caring, rather than aggressive in bed.

I would never imagine myself in an emotional relationship with a male


same here. maybe dont overthink. going for morning walks, adopting a pet may help distract the focus.

also stop watching porn n maybe reduce the masturbation. that helped me a lot. i joined nofap. that's for pmo addiction. just like this forum is a support group, nofap is porn addiction support group.

There are youtube videos for ocd by mark freeman that helped me:
you are not your thoughts
how to accept terrible thoughts
ocd guilt
ocd distractions

hope they help you as well...


Thank you for the nice words, jaus! Problem is, I am literally too addicted to abstain. Plus, pornography is my only way to release my sexual desires as I am still a virgin and can't find the right female partner. Plus, OCD and guilt make it harder for me to engage in any sexual relationship so porn is my 'safest' option. The lack of love in my life in the form of a caring female has also affected me tremendously.

Thanks again for your time.
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Re: Confused about both gender identity and sexual orientation

Postby jaus tail » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:02 pm

Problem is, I am literally too addicted to abstain. Plus, pornography is my only way to release my sexual desires as I am still a virgin and can't find the right female partner.


There are other sources of joy/peace than sex. else married folks or those who are in a relationship wouldnt have any trouble in life. i got this advice. for joy you can:
sing a song
go on a trip
mountain climbing
cook
write
gardening
dance in the house

I went on a solo trip and while it wasnt all joy(i did cry there and lose money) but i also made friends and had a good experience. it was a learning experience to not take my mind too seriously.

I strongly suggest abstain from porn. it's not easy. almost impossible. i started about more than a year ago to abstain from it and i'm still struggling. but i'm not as addicted as i was earlier. that's good. there were countless relapses.

Plus, OCD and guilt make it harder for me to engage in any sexual relationship so porn is my 'safest' option. The lack of love in my life in the form of a caring female has also affected me tremendously.


Maybe a therapist can help. i have gotten back with some old friends. i dont talk with them daily but once in a while i text them and it feels good. they do tell me to get over my stuff n i envy their happiness n marriage at times, but it's good to know someone's there for you.

life can always go horrible. a few years ago i had breakdown n i thought my life is doomed. but the worse part was yet to come n i continued making regrets. now i do exercise thrice a week and that helps.

i still feel lonely n listen to sad/despair songs but its all right. i'm not as bad as i was earlier. one step at a time. maybe you can start swimming or join a gym or grow some plants. it wont solve all your problems but it'll be a good start.
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