BPD or EUPD?

NimplyDinply wrote:I think NPD alone is probably a culture-bound syndrome. How many Ns would you find in third world countries I wonder?

I guess the whole argentinian nation.

Only two exceptions:
Lionel Messi who is said to be Aspie and the Pope, who probrably concentrated all humbleness in the country.

Argentina is as narcissistic as North America? Interesting. What's Brazil like?

Sociopathic

Is that where all the huehuehue comes from?

NimplyDinply wrote:Is that where all the huehuehue comes from?

Are you talking about lack of etiquete?
Irresponsability?
I guess we are going off topic here.

Apparently also Brazil is world leader on homicides, ahead of much populous countries as India, Indonesia, USA and China.

Our president is also a former guerrlla bank robber and was involved in billionaire oil fraud(bought for 1 bi a refinery worth 50 million) when she was board chairman of state oil company.

creative_nothing wrote:

NimplyDinply wrote:I think NPD alone is probably a culture-bound syndrome. How many Ns would you find in third world countries I wonder?

I guess the whole argentinian nation.

Only two exceptions:
Lionel Messi who is said to be Aspie and the Pope, who probrably concentrated all humbleness in the country.

Hmm. I tend to think talking about whole countries as if the people in them are the same is fairly asinine.

Although sometimes I want to slap my sister when she speaks Spanish. She became fluent in Argentina and her accent is annoying as all hell! So pretentious sounding!

NimplyDinply wrote:If the ICD is more fact-based than the DSM, then NPD is more an off-shoot of OCPD or HPD than a stand-alone illness.

I think people easily confuse OCPD( and Sadistic PD) with NPD.

All internet portrays NPD as malignant dictators, however those other tend also to be dictatorial, and never being wrong.

But in the end as you told NPD, is much more like HPD, they are flamboyant and a little detached.

In contrast to Emotionally Unstable being not based on psychoanalytical tradition, ICD uses Anankastic(from Freud anal retentitve) for OCPD.

Maybe calling those OCPDers, anal, was a deliberate mock?

Anyway, like Kernber suggests that in therapy narcissistis must be confronted, and somehow inflicted narcissistic injury in order to them mature, maybe the same applies to OCPD?

I mean, wont they ever learn to let go?

creative_nothing wrote:Anyway, like Kernber suggests that in therapy narcissistis must be confronted, and somehow inflicted narcissistic injury in order to them mature, maybe the same applies to OCPD?

Problem with confrontation is, how do you keep the pwNPD in the therapist's office if you confront them? I guess that's the point of contention between confrontation vs gradual reduction of grandiosity through other means. Both lead to conditioning, I suppose.