Feminism

I wasn't drawing conclusions regarding feminism and suicide, Rednal brought up suicide as a proxy for mental health and I just ran with it.

It can one valid indicator, however.

-- Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:36 pm --

WendyTorrance wrote:

crystal_richardson_ wrote:so to empower both men and women, women need to feel cherished and men need to feel needed.

Where is this dichotomy based on, who says it is so. Sure, men and women have their own needs. But why set such barriers.

I am not suggesting we do, if you read before I was suggesting that the 'norm' reflect the desires/needs of the majority, and those who are exceptional would still have the opportunity to pursue what they want. there would be no barriers, BUT the norm or who would be given priority in society would be the majority and their desires/needs.

and the exceptions would be given slightly less priority, but still have the opportunity.

I think one of the problems here is that the simple word "feminism" has become altered by the vocal minority. Initially, it was a simple case of wanting the basics; equal say, equal pay. I think that's fair. If I can produce x widgets* in a day and I make $y, and a woman can also produce x widgets, she should make $y as well.

However, like any worthwhile movement, there are always causeheads who will tilt the course of it to their own ends and screw it up for everyone else. Now, feminism is almost synonymous with male-bashing, which has sadly, but understandably eroded much of its support from men. This only reinforces the opinion of the extremists, who then add to their ranks, and so continues the cycle.

I haven't read research between PD's and feminism, but if using the extreme definition of feminism, it wouldn't surprise me. Many PD's include elements of paranoia, fearing that either everyone hates the person, or everyone is out to get the person, or something to that effect. Extreme feminism doctrine feeds right into that and reinforces that "us against the world" polarizing view, so attracting people who already believe such things makes sense.

Casper wrote:I think one of the problems here is that the simple word "feminism" has become altered by the vocal minority. Initially, it was a simple case of wanting the basics; equal say, equal pay. I think that's fair. If I can produce x widgets* in a day and I make $y, and a woman can also produce x widgets, she should make $y as well.

This is not 'equal pay'. Equal pay is if I work 40hrs a week, and you work 40hrs a week on the same job, we must earn the same.

Toucan wrote:This thread is a mess.

Lol!

I tried to get it back on track....

crystal_richardson_ wrote:I don't think there is any relationship between bpd and feminism.

1# bpd tend to need relationships with men more than feminists, or feminists at least care to admit; bpd love men and are preoccupied with them
2# bpd are lower functioning, and while they may want a career would not fit in well with career oriented feminists who have more stable lifestyles and goals.
3# to be involved in a social movement requires that you not be preoccupied with your own problems

that said, the lack of identity in bpd might lend itself to feminism and other social movements which can provide an identity at least temporarily

crystal_richardson_ wrote:another point related to the thread that is absolutely on topic

maybe Homosexual BPD is related to feminism?

I know TN thinks Homosexuality basically is a PD...and Homosexuals do tend to get involved in feminism...maybe that's it?

I don't see how feminism could really appeal to BPD itself though...BPD can't be without men! Whereas feminists typically define themselves against men, and want autonomy, etc.

you guys can still respond and carry on a discussion where relevant points are mentioned...you don't have to be sidetracked by other discussions that may develop

think of a thread like a tree with many branches

Yeah, you can't really limit a thread like that. It has to branch out to related stuff.

creative_nothing wrote:This is not 'equal pay'. Equal pay is if I work 40hrs a week, and you work 40hrs a week on the same job, we must earn the same.

What your pay is gauged on is irrelevant, as long as it's equal. In some industries, you're right; 40 hours is the norm. In others, it's per job. In others, it's flat rate contract.

My point remains the same, though; do the same work, get the same pay. That IS equal pay.

I didn't read this thread for a good reason. It would probably make me want to throat punch someone.

Can we make a thread about police brutality and Eric Garner next!!? Maybe NYPD cops all have BPD according to TN.

Casper wrote:

creative_nothing wrote:This is not 'equal pay'. Equal pay is if I work 40hrs a week, and you work 40hrs a week on the same job, we must earn the same.

What your pay is gauged on is irrelevant, as long as it's equal. In some industries, you're right; 40 hours is the norm. In others, it's per job. In others, it's flat rate contract.

My point remains the same, though; do the same work, get the same pay. That IS equal pay.

Well in most cases earn by task would be illegal. That is good because it avoids toxic workplace environment.

Besides, it is rarely a matter of how much you yourself produces, but how good you are able in team work that matter most.

I am just saying that equal pay is an illusion on most sectors, because at most cases you cannot reliable measure individual contributions.

For instance on IT industry they say a good programmer produces 10 times more than an avarage programmer, and an excelent programmer 20 times. And even though there is wage disparity a good programmer will not earn 10 times more, at most 2 or 3 times more.

I know a industry that works the way you told and that is agriculture. Unfortunetly it is almost slave work in my country.

crystal_richardson_ wrote:I tried to get it back on track....

crystal_richardson_ wrote:I don't think there is any relationship between bpd and feminism.

1# bpd tend to need relationships with men more than feminists, or feminists at least care to admit; bpd love men and are preoccupied with them
2# bpd are lower functioning, and while they may want a career would not fit in well with career oriented feminists who have more stable lifestyles and goals.
3# to be involved in a social movement requires that you not be preoccupied with your own problems

that said, the lack of identity in bpd might lend itself to feminism and other social movements which can provide an identity at least temporarily

crystal_richardson_ wrote:another point related to the thread that is absolutely on topic

maybe Homosexual BPD is related to feminism?

I know TN thinks Homosexuality basically is a PD...and Homosexuals do tend to get involved in feminism...maybe that's it?

I don't see how feminism could really appeal to BPD itself though...BPD can't be without men! Whereas feminists typically define themselves against men, and want autonomy, etc.

you guys can still respond and carry on a discussion where relevant points are mentioned...you don't have to be sidetracked by other discussions that may develop

think of a thread like a tree with many branches

Well, homosexuality seems to be a "mutation" caused by pre-natal hormones, which causes different brain formation. PDs go in the same way. there is a huge ammount of gay/bi/lesb/trans people with "cluster B" PDs. All conjecture, though. Eh, psychiatry...

Anyways... Many BPDs are bi or lesbian, crystal. In fact, I've seen a lot of BPDs who just HATE MEN.
I mean, HATE.
Lesbianism and BPD are frequently commorbid with childhood sexual abuse (now this is a solid statistic you can find anywhere), so there's definetely some overlap to occur.

But statistics shmistatistics, I'm gonna covertly probe my lesbian friends (I have so many!) for BPD traits just because of this thread lol I kinda based my view on this not only because of feminists, but because of my lesbian rl friends too.

-- Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:05 pm --

AmorousDestruction wrote:I didn't read this thread for a good reason. It would probably make me want to throat punch someone.

Can we make a thread about police brutality and Eric Garner next!!? Maybe NYPD cops all have BPD according to TN.

I think cops learn to be violent more after they join the police force, then because they had violent traits before. This is just personal observation based on people I've seen changing completely after joining the police or military, though.