Avoiance and Nutrient Deficency

Parador wrote:If you eat any kind of half decent diet supplementation is useless. More and more studies are showing how little effect supplements have. I gave up taking vitamin E a few years ago when studies showed that it is ineffective in improving or sustaining people's health......

Any improvement of negative effects people think they are having from supplements are probably a placebo or nocebo effect. The only supplement I have found that definitely has a positive effect is vitamin A for acne. However to have a positive effect I had to take a very high dose that lead to side effects after a year.

The best way to feel better is to eat a good diet with fruit, vegetables and whole grains.

There might be a problem with a lot of the studies of supplements due to telling people not to take it with food. I think think all nutrients in supplement form apart from the fat-soluble ones packaged in fat doesn't get absorbed at all unless interacting with food.

Vit E is for libido and such, not for health, assuming you're talking about the mega-dose types.

I imagine the best way to get nutrients is enriching foods strategically. F ex fat-soluble vitamins in or during meals with fatty food. Mineral and water-soluble supplements together with bulky, fibrous food. Also trying to avoid nutrients inhibiting each-other's absorption in meals, but that's more complicated and you'd have to avoid the more or less complete supplements. There's interactions with iron, B12, vit C at least.

Vitamin E used to be the the king of supplements - an antioxidant, neutralizing potentially harmful free radicals in the body, E became a superstar as the antioxidant theory of disease gained wider and wider attention. People thought high doses of vitamin E would be the key to good health—preventing cancer, heart disease, and Alzheimer’s, as well as producing glowing skin, good eyesight, and other benefits. Studies have shown no benefits in any areas. Libido studies have not been conducted as far as I know, but I suspect when they are they will show no benefit.

Other large reviews have also suggested that vitamin E supplements and other antioxidant pills don’t help and may hurt. One such study, in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 2007, pointed to a slight increase in mortality for those taking antioxidant supplements, including vitamin E.

Parador wrote:Vitamin E used to be the the king of supplements - an antioxidant, neutralizing potentially harmful free radicals in the body, E became a superstar as the antioxidant theory of disease gained wider and wider attention. People thought high doses of vitamin E would be the key to good health—preventing cancer, heart disease, and Alzheimer’s, as well as producing glowing skin, good eyesight, and other benefits. Studies have shown no benefits in any areas. Libido studies have not been conducted as far as I know, but I suspect when they are they will show no benefit.

Other large reviews have also suggested that vitamin E supplements and other antioxidant pills don’t help and may hurt. One such study, in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 2007, pointed to a slight increase in mortality for those taking antioxidant supplements, including vitamin E.

They disproved the benefits of anti-oxidants as a whole.

Do people have no awareness of their bodies or what? I can feel the effect of anything I take, including food, immediately. No need for a study. Vit D and E in large doses are aphrodisiacs, at least if you use an extended definition and not the retarded scientific one of causing sexual arousal.

Also when the study fail, it will be due to retarded data points, low dosages, taking it too many times a day instead of all at once, and it being administered orally instead of anally.

The mortality thing might be due to a flawed study. F ex if the subjects are taking the pills voluntarily (with no placebo group), they might have health problems they are hoping to fix by taking the pills, thereby having increased mortality already. Also things like testosterone increases mortality. Could be a direct result of them working that's causing the mortality and not a side-effect.

Supersaneman wrote:
Do people have no awareness of their bodies or what? I can feel the effect of anything I take, including food, immediately. No need for a study. Vit D and E in large doses are aphrodisiacs, at least if you use an extended definition and not the retarded scientific one of causing sexual arousal.

Also when the study fail, it will be due to retarded data points, low dosages, taking it too many times a day instead of all at once, and it being administered orally instead of anally.

I have taken large doses of D and E and never noticed any libido effect. I never shoved them up my bum though. lol.

Parador wrote:I gave up taking vitamin E a few years ago when studies showed that it is ineffective in improving or sustaining people's health.

In general I never buy any *study* that makes no sense. When the studies came out that said Vitamin E was good for you-- I said, but wait, that makes no sense. Our food right now, we get sufficient vitamin E... perhaps too much. So I knew that study was #######4. My multi and almost every standard one has 100% RDA of it.

But when the studies came out on Vitamin D, I said, bingo. First, we are supposed to get that from the sun -- something we aren't in anymore (and pollution blocks). So that made sense that we wouldn't be getting it. The reason Vitamin D has been taken notice of is that we now have an accurate test for it -- which we did not have before. That came into being in the late 90's. Until we had that we had no idea we were not getting enough.

I have found great results from taking Vitamin D, Magnesium, and K2. I also started drinking Fiji water as it contains a think called Silica which apparently calcium needs as a precursor to make your bones strong. I had never heard of it before. So I do think we are missing a lot in our diet. Also, Magnesium is usually not absorbed well. So you do have to be careful how you get these things. I have a liquid for the magnesium and the Fiji water is supposed to be the best way to get the sillica because it allows for the best absorption.

SaraShaw wrote:I also started drinking Fiji water as it contains a think called Silica which apparently calcium needs as a precursor to make your bones strong. I had never heard of it before. So I do think we are missing a lot in our diet. Also, Magnesium is usually not absorbed well. So you do have to be careful how you get these things. I have a liquid for the magnesium and the Fiji water is supposed to be the best way to get the sillica because it allows for the best absorption.

Silica is found in some phytoliths. They dissolve pretty easily in vinegar if you let it sit for some days. Generally the plants with a high silica content is inedible due to being really rough/spiky and/or having those stones. You can fix both with the vinegar, plus use the silica-enriched vinegar.

Might as well boil the plants a couple of times prior to reduce poisons and properly clean it.