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The Trauma Myth ****MAJOR TW*****

Postby brandonsmom777 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:02 pm

Hi all. So, I was in the book store last night in the pyschology section looking for an entirely unrelated book to SA and I came across this book titled "The Trauma Myth" as I read the back of the book it was talking about the affects of childhood SA and the subsequent psychological damage it does to children leading into their adult lives. I thought it looked really interesting so I bought it and went home to read it. I should have taken more heed to the title because as the book went on basically this women (not sure if she's a doctor or what her credentials, if any, she has) was saying how childhood SA is not actually traumatic when it happens to a child because a child doesn't even process what's going on as sexual in nature. She also went on to suggest that because SA can't be traumatic then it's virtually impossible to repress the abuse and in the book was feeding into the idea that remembering trauma later in life is a farse. I was sickened by this book the entire time I was reading and I went to bed crying and had an appt w/ my T this morning but he canceled because he's still out of town and I just feel really depressed. I was feeling like I was on the right track in understanding what's been going on with me and now I feel invalidated and back to square one. I started remembering all the critics who say that dissociative disorders are a myth and we're just attention seekers. Is God trying to tell me something? I thought He was the one who led me on this path to figuring out what was wrong with me so I could get better?? I'm so confused right now!!! I hope this doesn't trigger anyone too bad, I hope the warning was enough.
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Re: The Trauma Myth ****MAJOR TW*****

Postby Una+ » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:19 pm

Honey, you have seen many of us here go through fits of denial. No one wants the awful things that happened to us to be true. Books like this one are the product of runaway denial. This one is extra horrible because this author cannot deny what happened, so she has to deny that it hurt her. Maybe she was not hurt by what happened to her, but there is no doubt I was hurt by what happened to me. I have dissociated identities. When random horny men violate my boundaries, sometimes instead of defending myself I lose time while a dissociated identity (a child) attempts to handle the situation.

As an antidote to this book and others like it, try Jessica Stern's book Denial: A Memoir of Terror.

Take the book back to the store for a full refund. Say the back cover blurb is highly misleading and the book is unacceptable to you. The store will return the book to the distributor, who will return it to the publisher. This is how the book trade penalizes deceptive marketing.
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Re: The Trauma Myth ****MAJOR TW*****

Postby sev0n » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:39 pm

Ignore that sort of stuff. It's a subculture of people that deny child abuse injures children in any way.

The top experts in the world in DID have to keep dealing with these idiots, who have no research to back up anything they say, but they won't shut up. There are about 15 that make it into research journals with their idiocy like: Piper, Merskey, Lilienfeld, Lynn... a small group of fringe psychiatrists that not only deny DID but any area of psychology that they can attack. You can go to Wikipedia and see the entire list of whacks on the reference list because one of the fringe followers out there (who still thinks people with DID have more than one personality) controls that article and I cannot get any help to fix it. In addition he takes text of our context from good researchers and uses this to prove his fringe POV. It's frustrating!

There is a whole story of why there is a group of fringe psychiatrists that are skeptical of the mainstream science ... but bottom line is these guys need a shrink. :mrgreen:

Then there is the pop culture people like Debbie Nathan who are total idiots and take the bad information from these fringe psychologists and put their own twisted spin on it. These people are often part of the false memory society. A group that works to get abusers off the hook, including the founders of the organization. That whole story is interesting in itself. Their daughter, J.J. Freyd, a current editor of the ISSTD's journal. was abused by them and is out there fighting to present the truth while her parents fight to hide it. What a mess!

http://dynamic.uoregon.edu/~jjf/

You can't fix stupid!

This is one of the reasons I am building those 2 websites I have going - to show the truth of DID.
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Re: The Trauma Myth ****MAJOR TW*****

Postby sev0n » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:53 pm

Let me add that I spent 50 years ignoring what happened to me saying it did not affect me a bit! Denial does not mean it did not hurt someone. If I died 2 years ago, I would have had a similar story, because I was hurt so bad that my system went to all costs to keep it from me. DID is not the only affect of such abuse either, there are all kinds of things and I bet whoever wrote this book has at least one.


Una+ wrote:
Take the book back to the store for a full refund. Say the back cover blurb is highly misleading and the book is unacceptable to you. The store will return the book to the distributor, who will return it to the publisher. This is how the book trade penalizes deceptive marketing.




Oh yes!!!!! Do it! :D


Here is a document you might want to read. It is the consensus of the experts on DID. Here are the facts and it's a wonderful read.

International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation (2011). Guidelines for Treating Dissociative Identity Disorder in Adults, third revision. Journal of Trauma & Dissociation. 12:2, 2011; 115-187 (2011). The full pdf file is online.

http://www.isst-d.org/jtd/GUIDELINES_REVISED2011.pdf
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Re: The Trauma Myth ****MAJOR TW*****

Postby brandonsmom777 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:15 pm

Una, I am going to take your advice and go straight to the bookstore after work. This book made me physically sick to my stomach. I know we have freedom of speech but this is proof of how dangerous this can be. I will check out the book you suggested, is that about DID?? or just denial in general?? I need an antidote after this monstrous book. I just always wonder WHY I feel I'm on the right path and then bam, I question myself all over again.

I was so bad last night I started researching diseases again or brain damage due to drugs. I have spent a little over $5,000 plus (out of pocket no insurance) on medical expenses for being tested for all different types of diseases and conditions that caused my symptoms...I've had pictures of my brain taken numerous times..all in an attempt to get better. Once I finally decided to accept that this was caused from trauma and I needed to heal I read sh!t like this!!! I don't remember my life, my past and hardly recognize the people I love because I'm subconciously looking for attention?? I'm sicker than I thought...
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Postby Anasui » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:22 pm

My God, I want to beat that ######6 bitch up. SA not traumatic when your a kid? Somebody kill her now before I do. ###$!
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Re: The Trauma Myth ****MAJOR TW*****

Postby Una+ » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:45 pm

brandonsmom777 wrote:I will check out the book you suggested, is that about DID?? or just denial in general??

Here is a blurb about Jessica Stern's book Denial: A memoir of terror:
One of the world's foremost experts on terrorism and post-traumatic stress disorder investigates her own unsolved adolescent sexual assault at the hands of a serial rapist, and in so doing, examines the horrors of trauma and denial.

Alone in an unlocked house in a safe neighborhood in the suburban town of Concord, Massachusetts, two good, obedient girls, Jessica Stern, fifteen, and her sister, fourteen, were raped on the night of October 1, 1973. The girls had just come back from ballet lessons and were doing their homework when a strange man armed with a gun entered their home. Afterward, when they reported the crime, the police were skeptical.

The rapist was never caught. For over thirty years, Stern denied the pain and the trauma of the assault. Following the example of her family, Stern—who lost her mother at the age of three, and whose father was a Holocaust survivor—focused on her work instead of her terror. She became a world-class expert on terrorism, a lauded academic and writer who interviewed terrorists around the globe. But while her career took off, her success hinged on her symptoms. After her ordeal she could not feel fear in normally frightening situations.

Stern believed she'd disassociated from the trauma altogether, until a devoted police lieutenant reopened the sisters' rape case and brought her back to that harrowing night more than three decades past. With the help of the lieutenant, Stern began her own investigation—bringing to bear all her skills as a researcher—to uncover the truth about the town of Concord, her family, and her own mind. The result is Denial, a candid, courageous, and ultimately hopeful look at a trauma and its aftermath.
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Re: The Trauma Myth ****MAJOR TW*****

Postby doe-eyed » Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:12 pm

I copied a review from amazon that made me feel better.
100 of 142 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Clancy's Own Research Contradicts the "findings" of her Book, "The Trauma Myth", February 1, 2010
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Ellen P. Lacter (San Diego, CA USA) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: The Trauma Myth: The Truth About the Sexual Abuse of Children--and Its Aftermath (Kindle Edition)
Clancy uses circular reasoning to conclude that sexual abuse is not traumatic in her book, "The Trauma Myth".
Her book is based in part on an article she co-authored with Richard J. McNally, entitled, " 'Who Needs Repression? Normal Memory Processes Can Explain Forgetting' of Childhood Sexual Abuse", published in The Scientific Review of Mental Health Practice (2005/2006, Fall/Winter 4(2)).
In this study, Clancy asked 27 adults who reported sexual abuse as children to rate their levels of trauma at the time of their abuse on a 10-point scale, with #10 to indicate "extremely traumatic" and #1 to indicate "not traumatic at all". The average rating was 7.5.
Any logical person would consider 7.5 on a 10-point scale to be quite high.
Not Susan Clancy!
She concluded that child sexual abuse "experiences were unpleasant, distressing, or confusing, but not traumatic (e.g., terrifying) at the time they occurred." (p. 70)
How did she arrive at this conclusion?
She limited her definition of "trauma" to abuse that was "overwhelmingly terrifying or perceived as life threatening". (p. 67)
Then she determined that only two of her subjects perceived that level of threat, and parenthetically dismissed one of these subjects' reports as "bizarre" and "questionable" (p. 68).
Clancy discounted all lesser levels of distress as nontraumatic, essentially re-rating them all as #1 on her 10-point trauma scale.
Why did she even bother asking them to rate their levels of trauma if she planned to ignore their reports?
Clancy considers the following reports of two of her subjects as lacking in trauma:
"I went from confused to bewildered to scared . . . it culminated in me feeling somewhat angry and betrayed."
"I didn't think of it as sex, I just thought of it as disgusting . . ."
To further make her case, she wrote that two men, "while reporting that the [rape] was painful, did not describe it as traumatic [recall Clancy's definition of trauma: 'overwhelmingly terrifying or perceived as life threatening']. In the words of one of the victims, 'He would always say if you love me you'll do it. It hurt, and after a while I knew it was wrong, but not at the beginning.' The other victim of penetration reported, 'I didn't like it-- I knew it was wrong-- but it was better than having to go back to DYS [Department of Youth Services custody]'."
Clancy dismisses painful rape of a child as nontraumatic simply because the victims did not describe the abuse as "overwhelmingly terrifying or perceived as life threatening".
She also dismissed as nontraumatic all other painful emotional states described by her 27 subjects, including:
"definitely feeling dirty"
"I couldn't breathe"
"I was shocked at what was happening, and I think I was afraid, there was a lot of weirdness, insecurity, a lot of anger"
"I thought it was my fault."
Clancy categorizes all such psychological reactions as, "unpleasant, distressing, or confusing, but not traumatic."
Clancy acknowledges that, "All of our subjects (1) had either symptoms or diagnoses of PTSD [posttraumatic stress disorder] and (2) reported negative life effects from the abuse." (p. 71)
Yet, this does not influence Clancy to consider that they might have suffered trauma at the time of their abuse. Instead, she states that since child sexual abuse is, "not necessarily traumatic at the time it occurs", "it may be the retrospective interpretation of the event, rather than the event itself, that mediates its subsequent impact." (P. 72)
In her words, the later PTSD is the result of, "an understandable tendency to project our adult fears, repulsion, and horror onto child victims".
So, she claims, it is adults, especially therapists per her book, "The Trauma Myth", who project their own project fear, repulsion, and horror onto child sexual abuse.
She ignores her subjects' own reports of contemporaneous fear, repulsion, and horror.
And then she entitles her book, "The Trauma Myth", categorically painting sexual abuse as nontraumatic with one sweeping brush stroke.
To reiterate, a mean score of 7.5 on a 10-point scale of trauma is very high.
Clancy has no objective basis to dismiss as a myth her subjects' experiences of having been traumatized by their sexual abuse, simply because their reports did not meet her overly-restrictive criteria of overwhelming terror or having feared for their lives.

It is important to note that the McNally-Clancy article was published in the journal, "The Scientific Review of Mental Health Practice", which claims to be peer-reviewed and endorsed by, "The Commission for Scientific Medicine and Mental Health" (CSMMH). Scott Lilienfeld is founder and editor of this journal and of the CSMMH. Many of the coordinating committee and fellows of the CSMMH have a long history of affiliation with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and of advocating on behalf of accused sex abuse offenders in legal actions. These fellows include Elizabeth Loftus, Paul McHugh, and Harrison Pope. I believe it is necessary to question the degree of scientific objectivity of the peer-review process of this article by Clancy and McNally.

Clancy's book also oddly neglects to adequately incorporate the vast body of psychological research documenting the myriad short-term damaging effects of sexual abuse on children. It is standard for psychologists to first conduct an unbiased review of the literature on our subject and to include that review in our books and papers. Clancy failed to do conduct such a review. Instead, she selectively cites only a few studies that support her position. This approach suggests that Clancy has a biased agenda rather than an objective of honestly representing the work in the field. This raises questions of potential bias in her research methods, her interviews of victims, and her interpretation of her results.

As a psychologist for 24 years, I have treated hundreds of abused children and adults abused as children. Cases of children experiencing only "confusion" her thesis) during the time period of their abuse are very rare. In most cases, abused children and adults abused as children report that during the time in which they were abused, in addition to confusion of various types, they experienced a combination of many of the following:

1. Physical pain, in some cases extreme.
2. Disgust for the sexual acts, abuser genitalia and emissions.
3. Terror in cases of extreme force, restraint, or restriction of the child's breathing, gagging, etc.
4. Terror based in threats to self, loved one, pets, etc., to ensure compliance and/or to prevent disclosure.
5. Fear based in the abuser over-riding their attempts to escape, ignoring their pleas for the abuser to stop, etc.
6. Fear, shame, and guilt, based in an awareness that private parts should be covered and not bothered (molested), and an awareness that the abuser was making great efforts to hide the abuse, to keep it secret, and to ensure that they kept it secret, causing the child to understand that these acts were harmful and morally wrong, as in hitting someone, stealing, lying, etc.
7. Betrayal and hurt in cases of abuse by loved ones, based in an awareness that the abuser was engaging them in harmful and immoral acts, and in many cases, that family members were allowing the abuse to continue.
8. Guilt and shame for not escaping or physically fighting off the abuser. (The truth is that children usually understand in the moment that they will be overpowered or assaulted for resisting)
9. Feeling like an "accomplice" based in receiving gifts and special privileges from the abuser. Clancy portrays these "gifts" as "benefits" that the child derives from sexual abuse. This equates child victims with prostitutes who trade money for sex. But, children cannot enter "contracts" to be sexually exploited. Sexual abuse is imposed on children against their will and with no knowledge of the meaning of sexuality. Abusers then use gifts and favors to further manipulate and entrap children.
10. Anxiety-producing sexual arousal during the abuse, in cases in which the abuser took precautions to prevent or minimize the perception of pain.
11. Residual sexual feelings and responses that caused great anxiety, crying, tantrums, pleas to caregivers to, "Make it [the sexual response] stop", etc.
12. Rage at the abuser for inflicting the above.
13. Social, behavioral, and cognitive (including academic) problems driven by the above.
14. Physical damage, including damage to internal organs, sexually transmitted diseases, pregnancy, and in some rare cases, death.

In addition, when children first disclose their abuse, the supportive caregivers in their life typically are devastated to have discovered the true basis for their children's recent psychological and physical problems, such as separation anxiety, nightmares and night terrors, frequent crying, assorted fears, defiance, temper tantrums, academic problems, urinary and bowel "accidents", etc. All of these are clear indicators that the sexual abuse was damaging to the child pre-disclosure.

I do not discount the rare cases of children feeling only "confused" during the period of their sexual abuse. However, this reaction usually occurs only in cases that do not involve pain, coercion, and threats, that involve more "mild" sexual acts, that are very short-term, and in younger children.

My internet search reveals that Susan Clancy is an experimental psychologist. I have found no evidence that she is a licensed psychologist or psychotherapist of any kind. I do not believe that a non-therapist is adequately experienced to write a book about the effects of child sexual abuse.

It is significant to note that Susan Clancy is a member of the "International Committee of Social, Psychiatric, Psychological, Cognitive Science, Neuroscience, and Neurological Scientists", a group that submitted an amicus brief in on behalf of Roman Catholic priest Paul M. Shanley in his appeal of his conviction of child sexual abuse. Shanley's sexual assault convictions were recently upheld on appeal.


http://www.amazon.com/The-Trauma-Myth-Children-Aftermath/product-reviews/046501688X/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0

Here's another review (not from amazon) that also made me feel better. http://open.salon.com/blog/sparking/2010/01/22/a_survivors_take_on_the_trauma_myth_by_susan_a_clancy
This book feels more like a political agenda to upend the establishment of years of psychological and medical practices which have been effectual, especially recent advancements with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder therapy modalities such as EMDR, which helped to heal my life and many other survivors I know, all over a very narrow definition of what trauma is and when it actually occurs. While I realize that sells books, I don't think it helps victims, especially when the controversy it stirs up causes more confusion rather than clarity.
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Re: The Trauma Myth ****MAJOR TW*****

Postby sev0n » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:47 pm

doe-eyed wrote:This book feels more like a political agenda to upend the establishment of years of psychological and medical practices which have been effectual,.....


Dead on! As I said.. these people need therapy!

-- Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:53 pm --

doe-eyed wrote:Her book is based in part on an article she co-authored with Richard J. McNally, entitled, " 'Who Needs Repression? Normal Memory Processes Can Explain Forgetting' of Childhood Sexual Abuse", published in The Scientific Review of Mental Health Practice (2005/2006, Fall/Winter 4(2)).


Just a note on this so you all know who McNally is. He wrote this really stupid research article.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi ... ne.0040580


Here is the reply that I left on the comment section of this article:
What is presented in the article is a "confounding variable" - a variable (years in therapy) not formally a part of the correlation analysis which could well be influencing that analysis adversely. Such variables are the bane of research, and we're always looking for them. That these people didn't anticipate this problem is interesting. It's rather transparent.

Anyone can comment, so don't be shy:
http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listT ... root=53415


Scott Lilienfeld is founder and editor of this journal and of the CSMMH. Many of the coordinating committee and fellows of the CSMMH have a long history of affiliation with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and of advocating on behalf of accused sex abuse offenders in legal actions. These fellows include Elizabeth Loftus, Paul McHugh, and Harrison Pope. I believe it is necessary to question the degree of scientific objectivity of the peer-review process of this article by Clancy and McNally.


I already mentioned Lilienfeld and Pope and McHugh (Whack jobs) but there are some other names. Note that Loftus is a good researcher in the area of memory, but she keeps treading into areas where she is not the expert and makes all sorts of mistakes and she attacks some of the leading experts of DID viciously.
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Re: The Trauma Myth ****MAJOR TW*****

Postby sev0n » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:11 pm

Kathy Steele has a reply on Amazon about this book!!!!! She is a god in the DID world!


By Katherine H. Steele (Atlanta, GA, USA) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: The Trauma Myth: The Truth About the Sexual Abuse of Children--and Its Aftermath (Hardcover)
Susan Clancy creates a straw man, the "trauma myth", that is, the event itself causes problems, then shoots the "myth" down. Whereas any clinician or researcher worth their salt knows that traumatization is a complex issue that requires a nuanced approach. Whether a person is traumatized depends upon a confluence of factors, including the person's subjective experience, the reactions of those around them, the relationship to the abuser, the characteristics of the event (life threatening, out of one's control, shameful, etc.), and the developmental stage and history of the person experiencing the event. For some, the most traumatizing event is not being believed or being blamed when they told someone about it. For some, it was the physical pain, the emotional terror, the sense of betrayal. Each person is unique in their response. Research has long pointed to these complex interactions as part of traumatization. Is sexual abuse ALWAYS traumatizing? Probably not. But that does not discount that it IS traumatizing, and terribly so in many, if not most cases. Sexual abuse does not occur in a vacuum, but is often in the context of blatant disregard for the emotional needs of the child, and often involves implicit physical coercion if not outright physical abuse and familial denial or complicity. Clancy is right in that sexual abuse, in and of itself, is not the "sole cause" of the many problems experienced by traumatized individuals, but she takes this fact reductio ad absurdum. It is the entire package of relational, physical, and emotional neglect and abuse that accompany sexual abuse that likely makes it so damaging, the feeling of helplessness, lack of control, blame and shame, and physical and emotional violation. Clancy ignores the preponderance of the enormous data on the damage done by sexual abuse and its pernicious context. She also distills the highly complex problem of sexual trauma down to one simple problem, "Society tells you it is traumatizing, therefore it is." So if we tell sexual abuse survivors they have not been traumatized, they will not be? Just like that? Let's take the time to listen carefully to the person in front of us and hear what they have to say without trying to make things so simple. Many people(not all) know instantaneously that the first unwanted sexual encounter has forever changed them and their world, and they will tell you so without hesitation, "That was the day everything changed." It is not true that people only decide afterwards that sexual abuse is traumatizing. Isn't that a bit too uniform a response, just as assuming that every single sexual misdeed done to a child, no matter by whom and in what context, is horribly trauamtizing? Using limited and flawed research and interviews, ignoring nuanced theories and research, and labeling clinicians wholesale as being financially vested in their "profitable industry," Clancy does a unfortunate disservice to society and to those who have been genuinely hurt by sexual and other types of abuse as children.
Kathy Steele, MN, CS
http://www.amazon.com/The-Trauma-Myth-C ... ewpoints=0
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