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Mindfulness/Meditation

Postby ashesoflife » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:03 am

I'm constantly looking for new ways to cope. I try to use new things so I can deal with the past and live in the current. So anyways, I found this tonight...

http://www.jimhopper.com/mindfulness/

Many people have learned to block out feelings, or never learned how to be aware of some, which means they often don't recognize an emotion in themselves until it's become extreme. This does not mean that one lacks emotional responses to things that happen, just that one's emotions are mostly operating out of awareness and on "autopilot." This can be particularly true for people who have numbed themselves to their emotions with addictive relationships to alcohol, drugs, food, pornography and other "fixes."

If one doesn't notice or pay attention to one's emotions and they run on autopilot, many opportunities for observing and working with emotional chain reactions are lost. But that's how our minds and emotions tend to work: Based on past conditioning, current situations and stimuli – both external and internal – trigger emotional associations and reactions. Such triggering happens automatically, without our having any say in the matter.

Mindfulness helps people to notice these associations and triggerings as they occur, or at least before a chain of them results in overwhelming emotions or impulsive actions. That is, mindfulness can help you see and make connections between perceptions, thoughts, memories, emotions and impulses – connections that have always been there, but operating outside of your relatively limited awareness – in a way that prevents your mind and body from going out of control without you knowing why. In short, while you have no say over the initial conditioned responses that you have, once you're aware of them and not judging them, you can have a lot of influence over what happens next.


While I don't believe this page is written for dissociative disorders, it does seem to fit.

Then I got to this section...

Important: If you have any of the following problems at times, then practicing mindfulness before you are ready will tend to make them worse or create new problems:

Tendencies to become overwhelmed and "flooded" by painful feelings and memories, due to underdeveloped self-regulation and coping skills. For people with histories of traumatic child abuse, this is common and normal during the "first stage" of recovery, when learning such skills and establishing safety and stability in one's life are the main tasks. (To learn more about the "stages of recovery" from child abuse, see the About Therapy and Recovery section of my Child Abuse page and Judith Herman's book, Trauma and Recovery – links open as new pages.)

Tendencies to "dissociate" – that is, blank out, space out, leave one's body, etc. – in stressful or upsetting situations. These are not uncommon experiences among those with histories of severe child abuse, and can become automatic and habitual. Originally self-protective in otherwise inescapable situations, dissociation can later cause many problems. For beginning meditators with abuse histories, dissociative states are sometimes confused with mindfulness. Learning "grounding techniques" and other emotion-regulation skills will probably be necessary first steps toward cultivating mindfulness.

Tendencies to get "lost in your own world" and withdraw from relating to others, or to not even bother trying to connect with others. In this case, mindfulness practices could possibly be "co-opted" by strong habits of self-absorption and disconnection from others.

Tendencies to hear voices in one's head that sound like those of real other people, or to become convinced of ideas that are extremely unlikely or clearly untrue to other people. (As this can be a delicate topic for people with such experiences, and difficult to address in writing rather than thoughtful and respectful conversation, I will not write anything more.)


So I guess what I'm asking is what does meditation do for someone that is dissociative? It's something I've never really tried but am considering.

Isn't dissociating sort of like meditation? Can it be harmful to a system?
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Re: Mindfulness/Meditation

Postby Borg » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:35 pm

Thanks for the cool link!

I really enjoy to meditate. From the books I've read on meditation, the meditative state is a little deeper than the dissociative state which is more like the trance state or self-hypnosis state. When connecting to one's self, some books recommend to stay in a trance state rather than the meditative state which is more of learning to control and still one's thoughts/body. (I think both skills are important though).

I prefer the more trance meditation as it's just like dp/dr, I've found it so much easier to connect and talk to my other parts when I dissociate, it makes it more multisensory. (Which super sucks with an aggressive introject, but I when things get out of hand inside I either call for help or disconnect, reorient myself and go back in.)

I do find that if I've blended with a child part, I need to step back, unblend, and then I have more of an objective stance which holds more power inside.

It's easier to get work done inside if I can stay in that "self state" than blend with the other parts of myself.

I can see how it can be harmful if one tends to get 'lost' in reality already, and it helps to have guidence or and inside helper. But I do feel the benefits are warrented the risk, for me at least.

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Re: Mindfulness/Meditation

Postby under ice » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:10 pm

I've done meditation, sort of, at least deep relaxation and self-healing exercises if that counts, and experienced switches during it without knowing what it is.
I've started to feel like another person altogether, I've started to cry for no reason and without any noticeable feelings, and I've felt my mood change... or maybe not mood, maybe it's the switch that makes everything feel new and different. Not all this happened in a short time or during one session, but on separate occasions. I've also seen colours and heard sounds. I've had disturbing thoughts but they've gone away.

However, I've never felt anything that I consider alarming or negative. I've been positively interested in any sensations. I've had no fear because I've known that everything I may feel, see or hear is just me.
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Re: Mindfulness/Meditation

Postby ashesoflife » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:39 pm

I'm tiptoeing on the side of caution and I'm glad you both responded. It's one of those "there's a warning.. it's probably nothing... well, better ask just incase" kinda things.

I tried meditating in my early 20s. I did it a few times and never bothered with it again. I would sit down to meditate and next thing I knew, end up somewhere else in the house doing something else. The weirdest was waking up coloring with my kids. My coloring was horrible.

Seems the worst that can happen is that I will switch. I can handle that. I'm going to give it a try.
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Re: Mindfulness/Meditation

Postby Tunes14 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:13 am

I either meditate or dissociate (I'm not really sure what the difference is, tbh...) in order to control switching. In fact, triggering is very rare for me, so sometimes the only way to switch is through a meditative state. Not sure if that helps anything at all, but I thought I'd add my experience since it hasn't been mentioned by someone else.
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Re: Mindfulness/Meditation

Postby The Cat's Meow » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:31 pm

You might also want to be a bit cautious if you are using it to try to calm yourself when you are dealing with something intrusive (ie flashbacks.) At least for me, "going inward" isn't advisable at those times, while connecting with the outer world and grounding in external reality is helpful.
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Re: Mindfulness/Meditation

Postby SamsLand » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:26 pm

Isn't dissociating sort of like meditation? Can it be harmful to a system?


Before I knew of the others mindfulness/meditation was something I could not tolerate and saw no point in doing. I think because if I stopped "being occupied" long enough to look inside part of me knew what I would find. Then as I started learning of my inner self, I would have spontaneous bursts of emotions which were embarrassing (most "mindfulness/meditation" was in the context of exercise cool down or yoga or massage). Now it frightens me because I don't know where I go or can;t handle what I am feeling. But please remember I am in an early state of acceptance/denial so it might be a better experience for someone further along. I'd like to hear about how it works out.

Tendencies to get "lost in your own world" and withdraw from relating to others, or to not even bother trying to connect with others. In this case, mindfulness practices could possibly be "co-opted" by strong habits of self-absorption and disconnection from others.


Sounds like me atm, however I think that if I tried mindfulness I would be lost/dissociate in ways which would currently be more harmful than good. Atm I need to be grounded with external reality as The Cat's Meow pointed out. So I agree with the assertion to proceed with caution depending what is going on.

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Re: Mindfulness/Meditation

Postby Borg » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:58 pm

**May trigger**

If it helps any, in regards to the more 'scary' aspect, what I find is more akin to reliving a flashback, it's multisensory, which is the sucky part, very much reliving the moment *as if* in the moment.

But that's where I find that I was blending with the child part stuck in trauma, and say okay, I get it, now let's change it. So I disconnect from the child, become myself now, and stand up to my introject(father generally) and basically do for that child part what no one did at the time. I give the introject an option of repurposing his role, if he rejects it(so far all have), I throw them in jail.

It's like taking an old flashback, and rewriting the memory to one which empowers the child part. I haven't figured out what to do with those introjects that stay in their role.

I do find it incredibly draining, (physically, mentally, emotionally), and it takes a couple days to get my energy back up, so it helps to start off in a good place or step by step. And this is more recent(past year about) where my meditations have changed, and if it gets to much or whatnot, I just ask inside to pace it a little more, or take it back a notch. :D

Hope this helps, and best of luck. :D
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Re: Mindfulness/Meditation

Postby inktoinks » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:24 am

Thanks for your sharing ,I also find some good contents,share it here
Third eye meditation has alerted the interest of many people these days more so teenagers and a couple of college students. Third eye meditation is simple and easy to understand. Just above your nose and in between your eyes, and beneath your forehead is a spot that is normally referred to as the “third eye”. The third eye corresponds to Ajna chakra in both yoga and tantra terms. In third eye meditation, one concentrates on that spot with a concentrated-visualization. With time, it opens up and you start seeing supernatural things that are usually black and white. The third eye meditation helps you to attain that meditative state instantly and automatically. It also helps to stimulate your intuitive and psychological-power by inducing powerful mental-images that are unperceived by other senses such as sight or smell.

The visualization performed on the spot is normally a picture of a silver flame, a white moon, a shining star, or an auspicious silver-figure. It can also be a letter of the Jewish-alphabet, but whatever the auspicious is, it will surely serve as a stable-concentration! If someone tries to concentrate on a single item and then focus their thoughts on a specific place without any form of disturbance, then they can reach a stopping stage, this is the basis of the entrance to samadhi! With this in mind, how then can you do the third eye meditation? The following is a step by step guide on how to go about doing the practice correctly.

First, sit down with your legs crossed or the lotus position while keeping your back straight. You can learn more meditation postures so as to find the perfect posture to sit upright. Then close your eyes, breath in deeply to fill your lungs with cool fresh air. Next, pause for a few seconds and breath out slowly, do this process three times.

Secondly, shift your focus completely towards the third eye or the Ajna Chakra. Then keep eyes closed , draw your closed eyes closer to the center of your forehead, this is simply trying to look up with your eyes closed.

Maintain focus on the Ajna Chakra and then start counting backward from say 100 to 0. Throughout the third eye mediation, your eyes should be closed and centered towards the Ajna Chakra.


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Re: Mindfulness/Meditation

Postby Acinorev » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:25 pm

It's weird to me that some people have associated dissociation with something negative always. Dissociation itself is not scary. There can be confusion and fear etc. when changing back into a non dissociative state, which happens uncontrollably unlike in meditation where presumably one stops meditating at will. Regardless, My impression has always been that dissociation is similar to meditation.
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