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My own path of discovery

Postby brandic » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:33 am

This is in response to a couple people who inquired about how I came to the conclusion that I don't have DID. So here goes.


I had gone back and forth about having DID for years since when I first learned about it. I had come to the conclusion that I wasn't DID a number of years ago, after no therapist would ever confirm the DID or the possibility I might have alters. However, I have always known that I'm dissociative, and that I have "other states" take over me where I feel as though I'm watching myself and as though I'm not "me." I never could figure out what that was. When my previous T begin seeing some of these "switches", where I felt different (extremely different), she diagnosed me as DID. I followed along, and tried my best to accept the diagnosis, since she seemed very sure of herself. That's when I found this forum for support, and my exploration of myself and my condition really began.

Some of the experiences described by people on this site I shared, but a fair number I didn't. However much I tried getting to know my "parts" and learn more about them (their ages, their possible names, their likes/dislikes, really anything about them), I came up empty handed. These parts of me didn't seem to have a strong sense of identity that others on here described. All the parts of me felt like me, they just felt different.

Here is analogy:

Imagine that every human being is like a picture. I'm going to take the idea of a lion, since I really like lions. For a non-dissociative person, let's say their lion picture, or sense of themselves, is more or less wholly intact. There may feel like there might be pieces missing, or some parts of the picture are vague or fuzzy, but one whole picture for the most part. Even non-dissociative people have different parts, or ego states, so let's say sometimes they feel like the head, sometimes the tail, etc etc but their overall sense of being the lion never wavers. For someone who is DID, let's make the picture a puzzle, with separate pieces, and in addition to that, let's make the picture have lots of different animals. So each puzzle piece (or "part") has his or her own animal identity. There is a lion, and a cat, and a dog, and a rhinoceros, and they all feel and know strongly who they are. For me, well, I'm somewhere in between. I'm a picture of one big lion (like a non-dissociative person) that has been divided up into puzzle pieces (like a DID person). If you were to take any one piece, they would still identify as the lion, since they are literally one part of the larger lion picture. They don't feel like their own independent animal. Their identity is wrapped up in the larger lion. They don't feel like their own animal, nor do they want to be their own animal. If you were to ask each piece what animal they are, they would say, "I am a lion." So this is my experience, if it makes sense.

Whenever I have tried to "get to know" any part of me, they would get confused or flustered by my questions. Whenever I tried "naming" the different parts of me, these parts got upset, because they all just wanted to be thought of as the main name that we all share. The difference between myself and someone with DID is that I don't know which part I am. I consist of many parts. But the difference between me and a "normal," non-dissociative person is that my parts are fairly distinct, and rather than me feeling in control of when and where I become which part, they seem to take me over, most often at times when I am triggered.

When I get overwhelmed, a very young feeling, self-hating part comes out. This part tends to cry and apologize for things, even when they are not my fault, and hates herself and wishes she weren't alive. Everything overwhelms this part. I normally don't feel like this, but I can get triggered into this part. However, ask this part how old she feels, or what is her favorite color, and she doesn't understand. She doesn't have a strong sense of herself. She doesn't feel like a certain age, she doesn't feel like a boy or a girl, she doesn't have a favorite animal, all she knows is that she hates herself and feels overwhelmed. And when I am in that state, I feel like that is me. It doesn't feel like another part but rather that I become that part. Same with my angry, people-hating part of me. This part has no likes or dislikes, no personal preferences besides thinking that the world is a really messed up place, that all people do is hurt, that no one can be trusted, and that she is overwhelmed with anger almost all the time. My "main" part of me doesn't feel this way (and in fact, I tend to be overly trusting and not listen to my instincts about people). When this angry part is triggered, I feel that this part is me. I become the angry, pissed off, jaded part. It's not a separate part of me, or like that's another person that is not me. Instead, I actually become her. Rather than me being one part of many, I feel like I am many parts. It's just these parts feel separate, and I don't have any control over which part I am at any given time.

I have never felt that I have other people who live inside my head, or who share my body. I have never lost time. Although I have heard people talking to me in my head, I have never thought of these voices or thoughts as anything other than myself. I know my experiences are very similar to some people on here who are extremely co-conscious, and that's why it's been such a difficult process of figuring out what's going on with me. However, with DID, the shoe just never seemed to fit. I didn't fight the idea because I was resisting the truth about myself, I fought the idea because I tried it on for size, and it just didn't feel right. I gave it a good and valiant shot, it just didn't match my experience.

Then, in someone's thread (I can't remember whose), people were talking about the idea of dissociated ego states. I had never heard of this idea before. I always figured you either had "normal" ego states (in the non-dissociative person), or you had alters (in the case of DID). I didn't realize that ego-states could have dissociative elements without being alters. They can carry "feelings" or "mood states." When I thought about that, I thought, "THAT'S IT! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I EXPERIENCE!" These states can take me over, and I can even have major depersonalization or derealization accompany them, but they are all still PART OF ME! They are not their own distinct parts with their own personalities and identities! Finally, something that seemed to match what I am experiencing!

I am still in the process of finding out more about this idea of dissociated ego states, but so far, it seems to really fit my experience, and this thrills me. I ordered a memoir of someone who has experienced dissociated ego states, and I will update you all as soon as I receive and read the book. Also, if anyone has any articles, links, or addition info about ego states (and especially dissociated ego states), that would be very much welcomed! :)

That, in a nutshell, has been how I arrived at the conclusion that I don't have DID, but something quite similar.
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Re: My own path of discovery

Postby littlevine » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:28 am

Wow. That sounds a lot the way I feel. I would be interested in any additional information you find and further steps in your journey of self discovery. Right now I am just feeling pretty confused.
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Re: My own path of discovery

Postby SamsLand » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:47 am

:) thanks brandic for putting this out there. I'm at the point I don't feel like talking about it but I want you to know I get a lot from your posts. I feel i have dissociated ego states too, and I often feel as though you speak for me too! Can I ask what book you ordered?

Thanks
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Re: My own path of discovery

Postby Borg » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:54 pm

Cool post! It really helps me kinda wade through everything. thnx!
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Re: My own path of discovery

Postby brandic » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:44 pm

littlevine wrote:Wow. That sounds a lot the way I feel. I would be interested in any additional information you find and further steps in your journey of self discovery. Right now I am just feeling pretty confused.


I'm so glad you posted. It can be really hard when you are confused and feeling like nothing really seems to fit. Hang in there. Also please feel free to PM me if you ever want to.

I am starting with a new therapist next week, and am hoping to delve more into these things. I will definitely keep you posted. :)

SamsLand wrote::) thanks brandic for putting this out there. I'm at the point I don't feel like talking about it but I want you to know I get a lot from your posts. I feel i have dissociated ego states too, and I often feel as though you speak for me too! Can I ask what book you ordered


Hi Sam. The book arrived today - all the way from England!! That was super speedy!! It's called Finding Normal by Debra Curreen. It was recommended by someone on here. I have a feeling it is no longer in print, but you can find it used on Amazon. All the copies I saw were in England, but as you can see, they can send it here super fast! I will post more about it as I read it.
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Re: My own path of discovery

Postby SamsLand » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:00 pm

Thanks brandic,

I thought I lost your post! I will order that book. It look wonderful. Did you finish it?

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Re: My own path of discovery

Postby brandic » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:18 am

Hey Sam!

Sorry I just saw your post!

Yes, I finished it, and it was really, really good. I highly recommend it. It was less educational about ego states than I was hoping, and focused mainly on the client/therapist relationship, but overall it was very good, very well-written, and very touching. And it reads very fast. I finished it in less than a week.

Let me know what you think. :)
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Re: My own path of discovery

Postby SamsLand » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:00 am

HI brandic,

sorry to revive an old thread. I am reading this now and it is messing me up. I haven't endured the abuse this woman has but i find it odd how I think and feel much like she does. It triggers me a little and some of the events in the book do as well.

I also find the explicit description of the child abuse really bothersome. Is that just me? I feel the same way about the book as I do about my life right now. So involved and interested in the book/DID one second and wanting to throw it in the trash, wishing I never related to the woman in the book and wishing i had never opened this can of worms, and then wanting to know how it ends, but wanting to force it to all be done.

Ugh
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Re: My own path of discovery

Postby boopsy26 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:46 am

Hi,
I am new on here so please forgive my intrusion, but I found your original post quite interesting. It sounds like you have DDNOS. The biggest difference is that in DID there are distinct alters and loss of time. In DDNOS the experiences can be very similar but the person is almost always conscious of what is happening, the "alters" (just another name for dissociated ego states) are not distinct (without descriptive identities) and are viewed as "me", and there is little to no loss of time. It makes perfect sense that you would feel connected to many of these experiences but not all. The treatment, nonetheless, is the same for both.

Beat of luck to you with your new therapist (if that was even a recent post)
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Re: My own path of discovery

Postby brandic » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:49 am

SamsLand wrote:I also find the explicit description of the child abuse really bothersome. Is that just me? I feel the same way about the book as I do about my life right now. So involved and interested in the book/DID one second and wanting to throw it in the trash, wishing I never related to the woman in the book and wishing i had never opened this can of worms, and then wanting to know how it ends, but wanting to force it to all be done.


Quite honestly Sam, I cannot remember. I do remember enjoying reading it, but many of the details are already gone from my mind. I don't think the explicit descriptions of the child abuse bothered me, but then again, I'm not usually bothered or triggered by this sort of thing for some reason. Maybe it's because I didn't experience anything similar (or at least that I know of). Anything to do with rape or gang rape usually triggers me to no end, but most things related to physical or sexual abuse do not, nor do they bother me. I'm interested to hear more as you get further along.

boopsy26 wrote:I am new on here so please forgive my intrusion, but I found your original post quite interesting. It sounds like you have DDNOS. The biggest difference is that in DID there are distinct alters and loss of time. In DDNOS the experiences can be very similar but the person is almost always conscious of what is happening, the "alters" (just another name for dissociated ego states) are not distinct (without descriptive identities) and are viewed as "me", and there is little to no loss of time. It makes perfect sense that you would feel connected to many of these experiences but not all. The treatment, nonetheless, is the same for both.


No intrusion at all! I am interested to hear your thoughts :).

What's funny is, I'm actually starting to think I have DID more than DDNOS. I am starting to get to know my parts/alters better, and I'm starting to recognize how distinctly different they are from me. Still no time loss, however, so I'm not sure if that would put me in the "DID" category or the "DDNOS" category. I do have much of my childhood however that I cannot recall...

boopsy26 wrote:Beat of luck to you with your new therapist (if that was even a recent post)


This wasn't a recent post, so I'm not even sure which therapist I was referring to here I've seen so many in the last few months :/, however I AM meeting with a brand new therapist on Monday which I'm VERY very excited about. So... your words still apply. :) Thanks!

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