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Postby Una+ » Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:46 pm

Here is the abstract of a recent research article that assesses dissociation in patients with borderline personality disorder.

J Trauma Dissociation. 2009;10(3):346-67.
Dissociation in borderline personality disorder: a detailed look.
Korzekwa MI, Dell PF, Links PS, Thabane L, Fougere P.
Department of Psychiatry and Behavioural Neurosciences, McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. mkorzek@mcmaster.ca

The objective of the present study was to assess in detail the whole spectrum of normal and pathological dissociative experiences and dissociative disorder (DD) diagnoses in borderline personality disorder (BPD) as diagnosed with the Revised Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines. Dissociation was measured comprehensively in 21 BPD outpatients using the Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IV Dissociative Disorders-Revised, the Multidimensional Inventory of Dissociation (MID), the Dissociative Experiences Scale pathological taxon analysis, and the Somatoform Dissociation Questionnaire. The frequencies of DDs in this BPD sample were as follows: 24% no DD, 29% mild DD (dissociative amnesia and depersonalization disorder), 24% DD Not Otherwise Specified (DDNOS), and 24% dissociative identity disorder. With regard to the dissociative experiences endorsed, almost all patients reported identity confusion, unexplained mood changes, and depersonalization. Even those BPD patients with mild DD reported derealization, depersonalization, and dissociative amnesia. BPD patients with DDNOS reported frequent depersonalization, frequent amnesia, and notable experiences of identity alteration. BPD patients with dissociative identity disorder endorsed severe dissociative symptoms in all categories. Analysis of the MID pathological dissociation items revealed that 32% of the items were endorsed at a clinically significant level of frequency by more than 50% of our BPD patients. In conclusion, the frequencies of Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (4th ed.) DDs in these patients with BPD were surprisingly high. Likewise, the "average" BPD patient endorsed a wide variety of recurrent pathological dissociative symptoms.


They confirm what we already know: most people with BPD have dissociative symptoms (in fact, most people with any personality disorder have dissociative symptoms), but beyond that many people with BPD also have a dissociative disorder.

Note that the patients enrolled in this study were diagnosed by a standard protocol using an instrument, the Revised Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines. This instrument distinguishes BPD from other personality disorders, but not from dissociative disorders. Thus, it may produce a false diagnosis of BPD in people with DID and DID-like DDNOS (aka DDNOS Type 1) who exhibit borderline traits in some alters.

Current ISSTD guidelines indicate that when a dissociative disorder is present, it should be regarded as superordinate: treat it as the primary disorder, and subordinate personality disorders will improve with treatment of the dissociative disorder.

The article is not free online, but there is a free online summary article by the same authors: http://www.towson.edu/topddstudy/Korzek ... 202009.pdf
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Re: Borderline personality disorder

Postby dividedtruth89 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:39 pm

Thank you for posting this Una. I think there are so many similarities between BPD and DDs, it's kind of odd they are placed in different categories. I think it is likely that BPD is actually along the continuum of dissociative disorders.
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Re: Borderline personality disorder

Postby bourbon » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:18 pm

I do think BPD and dissociative disorders are a different kettle of fish. Personally. I personally wouldn't put them on the same continuum. BPD is about a lot more than dissociation. It is about exaggerated anger. An ability to deal with everyday life stressors. Black and white thinking. An ability to regulate emotions. I think people with dissociative disorders, DID especially, CAN Deal with everyday life stressors, that is the purpose of the disorder. They both come from the same sort of past - abuse - but in my opinion, DID seems to be much more proactive about how to get through the difficult life they have had, whereas BPD seems to be a position of being stuck with the intense thoughts and feelings and flashbacks but don't know what to do with them. I dunno. I may be completely off track but these are just my thoughts.

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Re: Borderline personality disorder

Postby quadretto » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:34 pm

I'm dx DID, and not BPD although I have suspected it sometimes since I seem to have so many (but not all) symptoms: But my Psych said no.
For example difficulties in regulation emotions. Not that I act them out shouting etc., mostly inside my head. Fear of being abandoned/rejected has strong all my life...
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Re: Borderline personality disorder

Postby brandic » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:52 pm

As someone who has thought I have both BPD as well as a DD, I am curious about this. For many years I was numb to any feeling. Never felt sad, never felt angry. Ever. Probably for a good 10 years. When I started therapy and started opening up Pandoras box of emotions, life has been very difficult. Little things constantly overwhelm me. I have an extremely difficult time regulating emotion. I am angry one second, sad the next, happy the next. At times I think this is because other "parts" are influencing me. Other times I think it's because I must have BPD. Or maybe it's both.

Whatever the case, it's very confusing and I wish I knew more. It seems I have most of the borderline symptoms except for black and white thinking. I do think I consider all aspects of things, since I want to see all sides.

I understand what you are saying Bourbon. As someone who fits many of the symptoms of both BPD and a DD though, just from personal experience I'd say it's possible to have them overlap.
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Re: Borderline personality disorder

Postby bourbon » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:57 pm

Of course, I think they overlap. I have been diagnosed wit BPD and DID (amongst other things). I'm aware of how similar the symptoms of both can be. But I just think if we're saying its possible to have both, which I agree with, I don't think BPD is on the same continuum as dissociative disorders. That's waht i was saying. Sorry if it wasn't very clear.
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Re: Borderline personality disorder

Postby brandic » Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:12 pm

Ohhh sorry I misunderstood. I thought you were saying they were totally different (fish :) ) and therefore you couldn't have both. Now I understand. I guess the whole idea of a "continuum of dissociation" confuses me. What is on and not on the continuum? Therapists have always told me dissociation is on a continuum but I guess I just don't get it. I've been diagnosed with DDNOS, which I think seems to fit my experience, and is that on the continuum? And if so, would it be next to DID?
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-- Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:17 am --

Okay wait, I went back and reread your post (bourbon) and am still confused. You said that BPD is about not being able to handle lifes stressors and DID is the opposite - being able to handle lifes stressors. So if that is the case, how can you have both? Does my question make sense?
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Re: Borderline personality disorder

Postby bourbon » Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:23 pm

Because you don't have to have every symptom of BPD to have BPD. I was diagnosed with BPD but for the most part, I had no trouble dealing with life stressors. I was diagnosed with BPD but for the most part, I didn't have trouble with anger.

In the same line, you can be diagnosed with DID but not have the full set of symptoms. It is only my opinion that those with DID can deal with life stressors better than those with BPD. That is from doing a dissertation on BPD and having personal experience of DID, obviously. I'm sure a lot of people will argue against this because not everyone with BPD will struggle to deal with life stressors; even people with BPD can be split into two groups: low-functioning and high functioning.

I'm sorry I'm talking all funny tonight. I am really fuzzy.

As for the question about a continuum. Depersonalisation disorder, derealisation disorder, DDNOS,and DID are all on the continuum. I forget what order they are apart from that DDNOS comes before DID and DID is at the end.

I'm going to stop typing before I confuse people or offend people or both.

I apologise.
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Re: Borderline personality disorder

Postby brandic » Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:47 pm

bourbon wrote:
I'm going to stop typing before I confuse people or offend people or both.

I apologise.


I'm going to say the same thing to you that you said to me. Well I don't remember exactly what you said lol, but I will try!

Please don't devalue yourself or your contributions on this board. Ever. Even if you are feeling foggy, or anything, your thoughts deserve to be heard! And I for one are very interested in them! Especially after finding out you are so knowledgeable about BPD. What an asset you are to have, and what important information you can provide. Anyways... I just want to add that you weren't confusing me by what you were saying, you were bringing up questions I already had. And I for one want to hear everything you have to say. So please don't hold back.
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Re: Borderline personality disorder

Postby bourbon » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:15 pm

ok, thank you.

that means a lot.

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