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No one has a truly single, or unified, personality - D roles

Postby sev0n » Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:53 pm

Expidited Healing - Page 2 - *Triggering - contains defined roles

Those of you who do not want to know about Van der Hart's et al's 2006 research should avoid this thread please! Do not read further and then complain please! Also, I am not a therapist. This is a discussion of public material found in books, etc..

First of all :D

No one has a truly single, or unified, personality. :shock:

All humans have ego states, so its confusing when this term is used for DID/DDNOS.
An ego state is simply those different parts that do different tasks in one person: The Mom, The driven employee, the carefree dancer, etc.... An Ego States IS NOT a Dissociative part! ...even though the acts it performs may be unconscious.

So what is a personality? :?:

All People are made up of "many diverse, fragmentary—and generally illusory—images of “self.” Psychologists named these normal parts "Ego states."

An Ego State is NOT unique to DID/DDNOS. It is unique to all HUMANS! At least I don't think other animals have it, it they do they are the higher evolved ones. :mrgreen:

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DID/DDNOS Brain
This is an abnormal brain. Those ego states have become compartmentalized so that communication between them is difficult. In DID we often call these parts Alters because they are so compartmentalized they have taken on characteristics and have been divided from communication with the other parts of themselves so they continue to become more unique into themselves. (just as you would if you were not around a group of friends or family. You would become isolated and unique. When around others, they influence who you are by communication)

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This information is summarized on this subject from E. Howells wonderful book! 8)

Understanding and Treating DID - A Relational Approach
By E. Howell

Note: Self State is often used for either Ego or Alter


page 7-8 intro
"Non-DDNOS/DID People :|
WE all have multiple self states. For all of us, our mental life is characterized by constant changes in self-state to match the current context. Much of the time, most of us are aware (although less often than we think) of the matches of self-state to context, and we remember both (or we think we do). For example, we may wear a therapists hat while in the office, have a care-giving orientation when in contact with our children and respond in a different way involving early attachment system internal working models, when speaking to our parents.

:arrow: :!: :!: :!:
****What is important for psychological health is the degree of dissociation between self-states or, to put it more positively, the degree to which we experience our multiple self-states as contextually interrelated and part of what comprises the sum of who we are.


...the idea of unitary, continuous 'self' is actually an illusion our minds attempt to create... We have multiple and varied 'selves,' which are needed to carry out the many and diverse activities of our lives." (Siegel pg 231)

So that is pretty much saying what I said in the first part of the post. 8)

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Contextualization - Making of DDNOS/DID :D :o :shock: :? :lol: :x :P :oops: :cry: :evil: :| :wink:
In infancy, behavior is organized as a set of discrete behavioral states, such as states of sleep and waking, eating,elimination, and so on. these behavior states become linked over time and grouped together in sequences. Psychological trauma impedes this linkage: as a result, individuals who have been severely neglected or highly traumatized in childhood have not had the interpersonal attention, support and encouragement necessary to interconnect their self-states and the varying contexts of their lives.

This paragraph above is very important to understand. :!: :!: :!:

Early childhood trauma by a trusted caretaker results in at least:
Change of Brain Structure
Increases Stress Hormones
Affects the Endocrine System
Numbs the sociation of certain areas of experience from consciousness :(




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Re: No one has a truly single, or unified, personality - T r

Postby under ice » Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:57 pm

I like your disclaimer! :D
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Postby sev0n » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:08 pm

:lol: It's going on all my informative topic posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want to, read it, but NO complaining.

If not. Close your eyes and stay FAR FAR away from this topic!

I think it makes it very clear! :mrgreen:
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Postby Una+ » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:15 pm

By request, here again is how I put it...

Everyone has ego states. Persons with DDNOS that resembles DID have dissociated ego states, with walls between them that cause lack of internal communication or even amnesia. Persons with DID have dissociated ego states that take executive control.

Many psychotherapy professionals who deny the "reality" of DDNOS and DID agree that everyone has ego states, but deny in some form that there are dissociative walls or that there can be a transfer of executive control. Many acknowledge the apparent symptoms of DDNOS and DID, but believe the symptoms are voluntary. Some of these professionals will refuse to acknowledge any alter except the one they themselves consider to be the host. This drives the DID system into hiding and looks like a fast cure. But it is no cure at all. Been there, done that.
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Re: No one has a truly single, or unified, personality - T r

Postby sev0n » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:36 pm

Una - By request, here again is how I put it...

Thanks Una! I read it closer and have a question!


" Persons with DID have dissociated ego states that take executive control."


Does this mean DID-like DDNOS too or just DID. If so please explain. :D
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Re: No one has a truly single, or unified, personality - T r

Postby Una+ » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:48 pm

tylas wrote:
Una wrote:Persons with DID have dissociated ego states that take executive control."

Does this mean DID-like DDNOS too or just DID. If so please explain.

As defined by DSM-IV, DID is diagnosed only if dissociated ego states (alters) take executive control. If there is ample evidence of dissociated ego states but no proof of them taking executive control, per DSM-IV it is DDNOS. We understand it as DID-like DDNOS, to distinguish it from DDNOS meaning a mixture of the other dissociative disorders. Many of us who are diagnosed with DID are at first diagnosed with DDNOS.

The proposed revision of DSM would eliminate this requirement for objective proof. DSM does not require such a high standard of evidence for other disorders. If DSM-V drops the requirement, then DID-like DDNOS would be formally diagnosed as DID.
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Re: No one has a truly single, or unified, personality - T r

Postby sev0n » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:59 pm

Yeah, I try do look past the faults of the DSM-IV and look at the proposed DSM V instead.


But the point you are making is that if you have an alter that takes executive control then it is DID and NOT DDNOS?


--- but then there must also be time loss.


Do not many with DID/DDNOS have alters that take Executive control that do not have time loss? They have co-consciousness instead?


I need to go and take a peek at the DSM requirements. I have not looked at that for a while.
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Re: No one has a truly single, or unified, personality - T r

Postby sev0n » Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:12 pm

I dug them up!

DID
A. two or more distinct personality states or an experience of possession

Is this experience of possession what you mean?


B. Inability to recall important personal information, for everyday events or traumatic events, that is inconsistent with ordinary forgetfulness.

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Unspecified Dissociative Disorder*
Clinical presentations similar to Dissociative Identity Disorder that fail to meet full criteria for this disorder. Examples include presentations in which a) there are not two or more distinct personality states, or b) amnesia for important personal information does not occur.
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Re: No one has a truly single, or unified, personality - T r

Postby Una+ » Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:15 pm

tylas wrote:But the point you are making is that if you have an alter that takes executive control then it is DID and NOT DDNOS?

--- but then there must also be time loss.

Do not many with DID/DDNOS have alters that take Executive control that do not have time loss? They have co-consciousness instead?

Other way around, actually. Time loss requires an alter who takes executive control. DSM-IV requires proof not only of transfer of executive control, but also of time loss.

Many children with DDNOS/DID are aware of experiencing transfer of executive control. It is only as they grow older that time loss occurs. This is described at length by Henry Hawksworth in his DID memoir, The five of me: The autobiography of a multiple personality.

I rarely experience transfer of executive control without time loss; those rare experiences are highly memorable. I also lose time but I rarely notice when that happens.
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Re: No one has a truly single, or unified, personality - T r

Postby sev0n » Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:33 pm

Una - Many children with DDNOS/DID are aware of experiencing transfer of executive control. It is only as they grow older that time loss occurs. This is described at length by Henry Hawksworth in his DID memoir, The five of me: The autobiography of a multiple personality.


Thinks makes sense.

Una - I rarely experience transfer of executive control without time loss; those rare experiences are highly memorable. I also lose time but I rarely notice when that happens.[/quote]


Is this just indicative of you, or everyone with DID? I am still fuzzy on this. I am not saying you are right or wrong. I am saying I do not know, but I thought it applied to both DID and DDNOS.

To really confuse things.... What if you have 2 or more ANP's. (as what appears to be in my case) They appear similar and all go by the same name. They switch enough that it seems you never loose time, even though you do, but they have a good, although holey memory, of everything that is going on. This is not really considered to be "significant time loss" I don't think?


Back to the original question:


Una - But the point you are making is that if you have an alter that takes executive control then it is DID and NOT DDNOS?

My ANP's switching is certainly a change of executive control, but without significant memory loss.
Therefore - According to the DSM my DX based on this would be DDNOS.

Is this right?
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