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Bipolar is NOT borderline personality disorder !!

Postby Copy_Cat » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:04 am

Anyone else tired of bipolar taking the rap for what Borderlines do ?

Lies ! Manipulation ! Shoplifting ! are not symptoms of bipolar !


Borderline personality disorder is a mental disorder that results in four groups of symptoms:

1.Impaired Emotional Control: excessive, poorly regulated emotional responses, especially anger, that change rapidly;
2.Harmful Impulsivity: impulsive behaviors that are harmful to you or to others, such as spending sprees, excessive use of alcohol or drugs, self-injurious acts (e.g., cutting), physically aggressive acts and sexual indiscretions;
3.Impaired Perceptions and Reasoning: suspiciousness, misperceptions, an unstable self-image, a poor sense of your identity, and difficulty in reasoning under stress; and
4.Disrupted Relationships: tumultuous relationships with a person close to you that vary from extreme fear of abandonment to episodes of excessive anger and the desire to get away from that person.
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2. My level of anger can quickly become inappropriate, and intense.
3. I suffer from chronic feelings of emptiness and boredom.
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7. I worry about what others think of me, or I have suspicious ideas, or can become paranoid (believe that others are planning to harm me); or experience episodes under stress when I feel that I, other people or the situation is somewhat unreal.
8. I engage in frantic efforts to avoid abandonment by people who are close to me and on whom I depend.
9. My relationships are intense, unstable, and alternate between the extremes of over idealizing and undervaluing people who are important to me.

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This is bipolar right ?

•Loss of interest and pleasure in most things;
•Appetite or weight change;
•Sleep disturbance;
•Physical slowing or agitation;
•Fatigue or low energy;
•Feeling hopeless and helpless;
•Poor concentration;
•Suicidal thoughts;

And this is what we have to :


Feel more confident and capable !

See things in a new and exciting light !

Feel very creative with lots of ideas and plans !

Become over-involved in new plans and projects !

Become totally confident that everything you do will succeed !

Feel that things are very vivid and crystal clear !

Spend, or wish to spend, significant amounts of money !

Believe that things possess a 'special meaning' !!


Has the confusion with Borderline personality disorder given bipolar bad rap ?????
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Re: Bipolar is NOT borderline personality disorder !!

Postby Cheze2 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:44 am

As someone with both borderline personality disorder and bipolar disorder, I'm a little upset here. It seems to me that you are marking people who have borderline personality disorder in a negative light. This stigma must end.
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Re: Bipolar is NOT borderline personality disorder !!

Postby masquerade » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:47 am

Yes I agree with you Cheze. I have a dual diagnosis of Bipolar 2 and HPD, which is closely related to Borderline Disorder. It can be difficult sometimes for me to see where one disorder ends and the other one begins. Living with either disorder can be difficult and challenging at the best of times, and people's prejudices and misconceptions about personality disorders don't help.

CopyCat, please remember that Psychforums is a support forum for people who have a wide range of pychiatric condtions, and does not tolerate prejudicial or misinformed comments about mental disorders. Whilst Bipolar Disorder and Borderline Disorder are very distinct conditions, a dual diagnosis can be fairly common, with a confusion as to where one disorder ends and the other one begins.

There are also many people with Borderline Disorder who do NOT engage in the things you suggest and these comments are offensive.
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Re: Bipolar is NOT borderline personality disorder !!

Postby Ian Reynir » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:39 pm

I saw this thread, and I wondered what would motivate it, but then I saw the one on is she bipolar and I see where this is comming from.

First, I don't think that the vast majority of people know what bipolar disorder is or boarderline personality disorder is.

Second, it's hard for any two doctors to reach the same "diagnosis" for a person even with one-on-one time, much less a second-hand description on a forum. I'm glad that Copy_Cat has such passion for pointing out that any attempt to answer that post "is she bipolar" should not assume that the person in question is only bipolar.

Third, I agree that this would easily be interpreted as offensive since it casts a negative comparison to borderline personality disorder (the way that it's written).

Fourth, it's probably a good idea to chill on such topics here since there are better fiights to fight, like the stuff that is discussed on the anti-psych forum. I hope Copy_Cat sticks around on this forum. With that said, the anti-psych forum could be very helpful to a lot of people who read this forum, if for no other reason just to see what the "resistance" is all about - a lot of people don't have any idea why such a thing would exist. People on that forum actually have very provacative ideas from their experiences. It's not like everyone should believe what anyone says, and people are biased everywhere, but I have found a lot of good info there that I was able to follow up on.
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Re: Bipolar is NOT borderline personality disorder !!

Postby jilkens » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:10 pm

When someone is severely manic they often lose the ability to self-regulate and control impulses. This can include lying, being promiscuous, stealing when money runs out, delusions of grandeur, ruining relationship, and other things generally seen as symptoms of BPD. It's common to see people with comorbid bipolar and BPD. Neither one of these disorders is more positive than the other; they are both destructive.

There is so much stigma floating around about both of these disorders. No more is needed, especially when it comes on the back of elevating one as better than the other.
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Re: Bipolar is NOT borderline personality disorder !!

Postby Copy_Cat » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:15 pm

Ian Reynir wrote:I saw this thread, and I wondered what would motivate it, but then I saw the one on is she bipolar and I see where this is comming from.

First, I don't think that the vast majority of people know what bipolar disorder is or boarderline personality disorder is.


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"For the borderline, control manifests through isolating support mechanisms that the BPD person believe that you depend upon for functionality in life. Common areas of isolation, such as family relationships, children, grandchildren, friends, relationships, and financial resources are the target of the Borderline to exhibit passive aggressive anger to isolate in order to feel in control..."

Source: http://organizationalchangesolutions.wo ... have-been/

I was recently the target of this two face behavoir and it set me off and during the resulting "mixed episode" as its called in bipolar, I there was no lying on my part. I practiced "rigorous honesty" telling this person to take there two face passive aggressive bull someplace else.

Of course, even here, I am the bad guy when its all over.
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Re: Bipolar is NOT borderline personality disorder !!

Postby darkroses » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:44 pm

Both of them are illnesses with quite vague definitions with a lot of crossover.

Copycat - you really shouldn't be discriminating against BPD sufferers! Its just not fair. Someone who suffers mental health issues deserves your support, not your apparent disaproval :D

I'm diagnosed Bipolar but certainly identify with a lot of the BPD traits and it wouldn't bother me as to whether I was diagnosed either. I think diagnosis is a very subjective thing anyway.
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Re: Bipolar is NOT borderline personality disorder !!

Postby crazymonkey » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:15 pm

ladyswan wrote:When someone is severely manic they often lose the ability to self-regulate and control impulses. This can include lying, being promiscuous, stealing when money runs out, delusions of grandeur, ruining relationship, and other things generally seen as symptoms of BPD. It's common to see people with comorbid bipolar and BPD. Neither one of these disorders is more positive than the other; they are both destructive.

There is so much stigma floating around about both of these disorders. No more is needed, especially when it comes on the back of elevating one as better than the other.


I agree. I am bipolar and do Not have borederline personality disorder I've done things I'm not proud of while manic, including lying and cheating. Things I would never normally do. It's best not to denigrate any one group or person--- we are all here to help ourselves..... Not to be crabs in a barrel dragging each other down.
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Re: Bipolar is NOT borderline personality disorder !!

Postby Ian Reynir » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:36 pm

Copy_Cat wrote:Of course, even here, I am the bad guy when its all over.


Not so fast! I'm the reyning bad guy on the bp forum!

darkroses wrote:I think diagnosis is a very subjective thing anyway.


Great comment by the way. I think we've all got issues, and it's foolish to say that any issue is better or worse than another. They're issues to me...

I think what Copy_Cat's feeling here is that some of us get grouped with other illness "lables" a lot. When I say labels, I mean the words that feel degrading to some of us. I feel degraded to put the label "bipolar I" on myself, but it's what people call this phenomena, so I'm chill on that for now...

I agree with the concensus that Copy_Cat's language appears to demean people with a specific mental illness. However, there is another side to this that I'm not sure if Copy_Cat has articulated yet. From my perspective, Copy_Cat has seen much damage that these "labels" do and is thus extremely sensitive to them, so I think it helps to keep this in mind. He seems to be anti-psych if that's what you wish to call it, and in doing so, a true anti-psych person is convinced that mental illnesses are myths, rather our disorders can be "analogous" to disease, but nothing more since no autopsy can tell you if someone was mentally ill. Until a cause (maybe biological) is measured scientifically, we're just guessing (see similar comments by the chair of the DSM).

Why is this "label" thing important? So-called "mental illness" labels in general have a negative impact on how everyone (including us) view our issues, as I sometimes call them.
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Re: Bipolar is NOT borderline personality disorder !!

Postby bamaalice » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:14 pm

As for me I don't care what you call what I have, as long as my psych, therapist and I can agree on how to best manage it, whatever "it" is.

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