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Postby Fallen_Angel73 » Fri May 24, 2013 7:18 pm

Someone posted a thread the other day on the schizoid forum asking about people's childhoods. I ended up writing down a longer post than I expected. My story was very different from most everyone else's. I'm curious to know how it would compare to other people's childhoods here. Can you relate to anything from my post? Or not at all? (Also, of course, please feel free to post as much as you wish about your own childhood. I'd be very interested to read about it.)

anagram wrote:Overall, I can't say I relate much to anybody else's narrative so far [in the schizoid forum]. Most notably, for the longest time I thought I was perfectly normal (which I most definitely was not), and I thought I would naturally grow up to be like a normal adult, whatever that entailed. I always had a sense that I was different, but only in the sense that "everybody else was stupid" (unsurprisingly, kindergarten teachers complained to my parents that I was arrogant and unsociable).

It's hard for me to come up with an account of my childhood that includes in any way what other children thought or supposedly thought of me. This wasn't at all a concern. Not because I specifically didn't care about it, but because the thought of others thinking anything of me simply never occurred to me. Or if it did, it never occurred to me to give it any credit (after all, "everybody else was stupid"). I only thought of other people in terms of immediate situations ("out of sight, out of mind"). From my perspective there were only three kinds of people: those who could give me what I wanted at the moment, those who seemed (or had previously seemed) to be a threat, and everyone else.

If I was "busy" with a toy or a thought, or maybe looking at something interesting, then the rest of the world ceased to exist as far as I was concerned. If was bored or amused, I would often just blurt out a contextless comment to the nearest human, or start reciting my train of thought. I noticed very early that this type of behavior was aggressively shunned by boys, but not by girls. My impression was (and still is) that girls received it with amusement, although I suppose it's not unlikely that much of the time they were more confused than anything else. The thought doesn't bother me, though, and probably wouldn't have bothered me back then.

I had very little imagination beyond conjectures over whatever I happened to be observing, and any activities requiring regular, fantastic imagination bored me to death (most every situation bored me to death, actually). Boredom was a constant and major problem at home, where, incidentally, I was pretty much the opposite of how I was in school, in terms of unruliness. I didn't recognize or accept any kind of authority other than my own, but since I was the "little genius", who for the most part stayed out of trouble, I didn't have the need or the urge to be confrontational in school nearly as often as I did at home, where rage was an everyday thing for me.

I don't feel like writing much about my adolescence, since it's boring and confusing. But in short I think I can say that by the time it started, as if by an instant switch, I had become extremely self-conscious, specifically because of my arguably strong attraction to the opposite sex, which was utterly irreconcilable with my behavior and my worldview. But I never tried to be normal. The very idea repelled me. Mostly, I tried (and failed) again and again to forge a social identity by trying to incorporate things that I liked at the moment, but no one else around (or only a few people) seemed to like. For a while, for example, I liked heavy metal, so I wore brazen heavy metal shirts every day. Then for a while I liked punk rock, so I (unsuccessfully) tried to make my hair pointy and dye it bright red. And so on.
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Re: Childhood

Postby horizon987 » Fri May 24, 2013 7:49 pm

anagram wrote:Someone posted a thread the other day on the schizoid forum asking about people's childhoods. I ended up writing down a longer post than I expected. My story was very different from most everyone else's. I'm curious to know how it would compare to other people's childhoods here. Can you relate to anything from my post? Or not at all? (Also, of course, please feel free to post as much as you wish about your own childhood. I'd be very interested to read about it.)


I can relate to your story, it's interesting. Thanks for posting it. :)
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Re: Childhood

Postby shock_the_monkey » Sat May 25, 2013 12:42 am

my childhood was characterised by abject loneliness and a growing awareness of how i simply didn't feel as if i belonged anywhere. consequently, after many failed attemps at being sociable i eventually retreated into my own world of interests. something i wish i'd been able to maintain. but life has an uncanny ability to take with one hand and take even more with the other. so, i rather feel that as an adult i've ended up with neither.
something knocked me out' the trees
now i'm on my knees
... don't you know you're gonna shock the monkey

there is one thing you must be sure of
i can't take any more
... don't you know you're gonna shock the monkey

don't like it but i guess i'm learning

... shock the monkey to life
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Re: Childhood

Postby chlov » Sat May 25, 2013 12:53 pm

My childhood was not a sad one, maybe a bit atypical, but I was fairly content about my life when I was a child (I still am).
My mother says I've always shown some "peculiarities" ever since I was a little child, and she says I did very weird things as a child.
I've had motor skills delay as a child and severe self-help skills delay (I learned to use knives to cut my food at the age of 7-8, I learned to dress myself at the age of 9, to wash myself at the age of 10 and I learned to tie my shoe laces when I was almost 15).
I argued a lot with other children in kindergarten, can't recall why.
I was diagnosed with Asperger's and ad ADHD (mostly inattentive and impulsive, with few hyperactivity symptoms) for the first time at the age of 6.
The first two years of elementary schools weren't that bad about the social aspect, I just ignored my classmates and they ignored me, most of the times.
Teachers said I has some issues (mostly with handwriting and attention) but that I was also talented.
In fact, I was considered "talented". That's not the same as gifted, since gifted people are supposed to be true geniuses.
Then I started to developed ODD at the age of... 7-8 I guess? Don't really know. My mother says that I've always been oppositive but that I grew more and more oppositive as I grew up.
I started arguing a lot with other kids, I often got involved in fist fights, I started forgetting to do my homework even more than before and I also started having meltdowns in school more often than before.
I had my first friend when I was 9.
After elementary school ended I went to middle school, I won't talk about it because middle school was incredibly boring for me, the only thing that I should say is maybe that I wasn't bullied, only isolated and teased by my classmates, but I didn't suffer because of it therefore it wasn't bullying. My classmates were just too scared by me (still have to figure out why I scare people) that they could only talk behind my back and I've never been in a fist fight anymore since elementary school.

My childhood wasn't bad, my parents have always been there to support me and never blamed anything on me, exept the fact that my mother said I was lazy, slow and apathetic, but I actually was, so...
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Re: Childhood

Postby Fallen_Angel73 » Sat May 25, 2013 8:03 pm

shock_the_monkey wrote:consequently, after many failed attemps at being sociable i eventually retreated into my own world of interests. something i wish i'd been able to maintain.

I believe this (active interests) is something that can always be recovered. It's just hard when you have your focus on people, or when you're feeling down (or both at the same time — which is very easy to happen). I work on the premise that if I can adjust my "mental landscape" according to this principle (which I believe I can), then I can be able to enjoy my interests again.

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chlov wrote:My mother says I've always shown some "peculiarities" ever since I was a little child, and she says I did very weird things as a child.

I have a hard time determining "how weird" I was as a child. Or how weird I still am, for that matter... People often seem to imply that I am the oddest person out of their acquaintances, even though I actively make efforts to "tone down" my eccentricity so I don't stand out too much. (I really hate having to explain or justify the way I am or the little things I do, since I'll usually have no good explanation.) I guess this is (and has always been) one of my major deficits — I can't really grasp what's "normal" and what's not (hence my disproportionate self-consciousness and consequent anxiety).

That's not the same as gifted, since gifted people are supposed to be true geniuses.

Not really. People tend to be sensationalistic about it. I've even seen papers defining "giftedness" strictly in terms of an IQ of 120 or greater (IQ is a very limited measurement and a very poor reference). That's by definition "above average", but nothing extraordinary.

I believe "true geniuses" are so extremely rare that no school could afford to have special programs for the eventuality of ever having one of them among their students. I also really don't think academic achievement (or even a conspicuous potential for academic achievement) is either requirement for or proof of "genius". Only history can be.
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Re: Childhood

Postby shock_the_monkey » Sun May 26, 2013 11:42 am

anagram wrote:
shock_the_monkey wrote:consequently, after many failed attemps at being sociable i eventually retreated into my own world of interests. something i wish i'd been able to maintain.

I believe this (active interests) is something that can always be recovered. It's just hard when you have your focus on people, or when you're feeling down (or both at the same time — which is very easy to happen). I work on the premise that if I can adjust my "mental landscape" according to this principle (which I believe I can), then I can be able to enjoy my interests again.

sadly, the realisation that these were self-fulfilling kinda fulfilled them!!!
something knocked me out' the trees
now i'm on my knees
... don't you know you're gonna shock the monkey

there is one thing you must be sure of
i can't take any more
... don't you know you're gonna shock the monkey

don't like it but i guess i'm learning

... shock the monkey to life
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Re: Childhood

Postby Fallen_Angel73 » Sun May 26, 2013 6:33 pm

shock_the_monkey wrote:sadly, the realisation that these were self-fulfilling kinda fulfilled them!!!

Yeah I get what you mean. Awareness is a double-edged sword, and too often it seems like the wrong edge is sharper.
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