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Postby somebody » Tue May 22, 2007 5:45 pm

wilko wrote:Hi Ativan Man and Jaybird,

It is ironic that these medications have been around for so long, while so many people have suffered in the grip of SP.
I'm forty two and tired of that sick stomach churning feeling when I have no option but to attend a social function.
I can remember too well, being a bubbly extroverted child, before developing SP, and I mourn the child that was 'the real me'

My doctor will not prescibe Nardil or Parnate and I'm so desperate I'm considering buying Parnate over the internet. (You can't get Nardil). Do you think this is a bad idea. I've found a pharmacy in London who seem to be reputable online pharmacy escrow service.

I've got to do something.


You have to do something, of course. Fix it. No more of that social phobia crap. I explain it a recent post how you can. I'm sure you'll fix it, but you'll have to keep working on it. No effort, no gains.
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Postby DeepShadow » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:24 am

somebody wrote:You have to do something, of course. Fix it.


Hmmmm...do you tell someone with a broken arm to just shake their arm out? That's basically what you're saying.

No more of that social phobia crap.


Y'know, on a forum like this, a comment like that can make you sound kinda trollish and ignorant. Just FYI.

I explain it a recent post how you can.


I'm not sure what recent post you are referring to, but all your recent posts that I've read are connecting social phobia to low self esteem, which is demonstrably false. I've taken the MMPI. It says my self esteem is fine, but I have socia phobia. The very fact that the MMPI dissociates social anxiety from self esteem refutes your claim.

I'm sure you'll fix it, but you'll have to keep working on it. No effort, no gains.


Now this part I agree with. For true healing, we must participate in our own treatment.
We all have a set of instinctive fears: of falling, of the dark, of lobsters, of falling on lobsters in the dark, of speaking before a rotary club, and of the words, "some assembly required."--Dave Barry
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Postby DeepShadow » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:26 am

somebody wrote:cure is healthy self esteem. Social phobia is being over self conscious.


Y'got any source material for this claim, doc? 'Cause I've got a Bachelor's in psych, and every book on my shelf disagrees with this.
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Postby wilko » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:31 pm

Phew! Thanks DeepShadow,

I'm new to this forum. I didn't even think forums for this sort of thing existed, but when I stumbled across this I was so pleased and relieved to find somewhere where there are 'people like me' to talk to, identify with and learn from.
When you've suffered with what I feel is a crippling disorder for so long, and never met or talked to anyone with the same problem you feel incredibley alienated and so different from everyone else.

I know I may have sounded naive with my comment about buying medication over the internet, but when I saw the posts mentioning Nardil and Parnate (wich I have researched), I felt gutted after being refused these drugs by my doctor, to hear people saying that they actually work.

After twenty years (I'm in my forties now) you start to feel your life is passing you by, and you do feel very sad at the thought that the rest of your life will probably be wasted.

I was taken aback by the comments from "somebody", particularly the "no more of that social phobia crap" which made me feel like crap. I suppose I was expecting a level of sensitivity on a forum such as this, and was not going to respond to her/him or post on here again, but after reading your comments I'm glad to see that there are people here that are not so quick to judge and lecture someone they know very little about.
Thanks for making me feel better. :)


Somebody,

Please do not imagine that you know more about my problem (social phobia) than I do myself.
I wish the only thing I was lacking in was "self esteem".
Have you any experience of social phobia?
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Postby Lucidor » Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:51 am

Apparently he managed to get over his problems just by changing his way of thinking. http://psychforums.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ght=#99266

It's not strange he feels that everybody must be able to do the same. Perhaps we are if we can get in the right mindset. But for many medication is probably necessary first.
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Postby DeepShadow » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:51 pm

wilko wrote:Phew! Thanks DeepShadow,


You're quite welcome. :D

I'm new to this forum. I didn't even think forums for this sort of thing existed, but when I stumbled across this I was so pleased and relieved to find somewhere where there are 'people like me' to talk to, identify with and learn from.


I'm pretty new myself, but I've been an advocate for invisible disabilities for a long time.

When you've suffered with what I feel is a crippling disorder for so long, and never met or talked to anyone with the same problem you feel incredibley alienated and so different from everyone else.


Very true. Perhaps especially in the case of social phobia, where the patient is often terrified of seeking help, for fear of appearing "different."

I know I may have sounded naive with my comment about buying medication over the internet, but when I saw the posts mentioning Nardil and Parnate (wich I have researched), I felt gutted after being refused these drugs by my doctor, to hear people saying that they actually work.


That must have been awful! I know how much of my life has been hampered by anxiety, and the "what ifs" as to how things might be different if I were diagnosed after my first attacks (second grade) instead of at the age of 22!

Don't let the "what ifs" get to you. This is the life you have, this is where you are now. You have the power to change these things.

After twenty years (I'm in my forties now) you start to feel your life is passing you by, and you do feel very sad at the thought that the rest of your life will probably be wasted.


I know, but it doesn't need to be like that! Time passed is not necessarily time wasted, if you learn from it now. Besides, with all the improvements in health care, who knows how long some of us might live? :wink:

I was taken aback by the comments from "somebody", particularly the "no more of that social phobia crap" which made me feel like crap.


Yeah, as you can see, I took that kinda personally as well. :evil: As Lucidor has stated, Somebody seems to feel like what worked for him will work for us, and in that sense we have to give him credit for trying to help.

Unfortunately, some people who try to help are not qualified. It's kinda like a person with myopia (nearsightedness) giving their glasses to someone with astigmatism (totally different problem) and saying, "These worked for me." When the astigmatic starts to squint and says things are blurry, we myopics need to be careful not to blow that off as the same thing we went through.

It bears repeating that many mental conditions may actually be different conditions lumped together under a single diagnosis because of common symptoms. If that's confusing, consider blindness. There are hundreds of ways to go blind, and different types of blindness can be treated in different ways. There are surgeries that can remove cataracts on someone's eyes, but those won't help someone who has nerve damage, only cataracts.

As we understand the brain and mind better, we may divide different conditions under separate diagnoses, but until they they are lumped together by symptoms. We all have anxiety in public settings, therefore we all have social phobia.

This is especially relevant to your case because the drugs that worked for some people may not work for you. Drugs are serious business, and you need to take them under the advice of a qualified physician.

I suppose I was expecting a level of sensitivity on a forum such as this, and was not going to respond to her/him or post on here again, but after reading your comments I'm glad to see that there are people here that are not so quick to judge and lecture someone they know very little about.


Of course, but then sometimes we think we know more than we do, because it just sounds do darn familiar. :roll:

Thanks for making me feel better. :)


You are very welcome!

Somebody,

Please do not imagine that you know more about my problem (social phobia) than I do myself.


I think that's good advice for all of us.

I wish the only thing I was lacking in was "self esteem".


:D Dont' we all.

Have you any experience of social phobia?


Apparently (s)he was diagnosed with it. Then again, I was originally diagnosed with panic disorder, so who knows? I've never heard of somone "curing" social phobia by improving their self esteem. Not to refute that Somebody has a changed life now, but exactly from what to what is hard for anybody to say.

We have a saying in psychology, "The map is not the territory." It bears thinking about.
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Postby wilko » Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:59 pm

Hi DeepShadow and Lucidor,

We are not all the same. We all have different strengths, capabilities, weaknesses, limitations and life experiences.
What works for one person does not neccessarily work for others.

If I could 'change my way of thinking' I would not be on this forum. I would be out enjoying my life.

After over years of trying to overcome my social phobia, I think it's about time I got some help in the way of medication that is more likely to work than those horrible SSRI's.

If Nardil and Parnate have been proven to have a 60 to 85% improvement rate, then I don't see any reason not to try them.
I'm a realist and I'm not going to sit at home for the next thirty years attempting to change my way of thinking.
I'm tired of this and I need a break.

DeepShadow,

I read one of your posts about atypical Social Phobia. I noticed you mentioned (amongst other things) your driving anxiety/phobia.
I also had this but found it much easier to beat without the aid medication than SP.
I am still a nervous driver but it's worth it for the freedom and independance.

I wish you and Lucidor both well, and sincerely hope we can all make some sort of headway by whatever means are most appropiate and best for us as the individuals that we are.


Somebody,

"You have to do something, of course. Fix it. No more of that social phobia crap. I explain it a recent post how you can. I'm sure you'll fix it, but you'll have to keep working on it. No effort, no gains."

Do you honestly think that this sort of statement is good for building "self esteem" in others?
And can you tell me how you know I have made "No efforts"?
Could you please respond to my question?
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Re: i hove social phobia please help me

Postby JurajCroatia » Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:12 pm

snoop dogg wrote:i have social phobia and i am sure that it is a terrible burden. i get so nervous at school that i start ######6 farting in the classroom. well right now i am going to go ######6 bash my face into my mirror so i die and then i will not have to live in misery.




I dont want to say anything.I had serious social phobia for 7 or 8 years and I never gave up. I found out which medicines are the best for Social Phobia and I started to take them.

Oh yea, the best combination for SP is Seroxat(paxil) with Klonopin (clonazepam)
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