Situational Retarded Ejaculation

Hi Guest: In the world of normal sexual functioning certainly what you say is correct. But here in RE land we tend to cut guys like Reston some slack because lack of attraction the partner is a primary cause of situational retarded ejaculation and is quite common in married men with RE.

As has been said here many times, a man's primary sense of arousal is the visual. Men with RE are thought to have a highly sensitive arousal system. If they percieve something is wrong the orgasmic threshold cannot be reached.

Most men don't have this problem. Despite what I said about the visual sense being important, a normally functioning man, given enough time without any kind of sexual relief will find the visual sense overidden by intense desire. This doesn't happen in men with RE.

When attraction is an issue for a married couple, a Sex Therapist will usually work with both of them to come to some kind of comprimise. Many women, lacking a sex life with their husbands because of RE will happily oblige. Some will hold their ground and demand the patient change his attitude. This seldom works. She will have to make some changes if she wants him to function sexually. Perhaps not implants but some kind of change that will heighten his arousal for her.

And by the way this certainly isn't just a problem for men. Any quick scan of women's sexual dysfunction websites will turn up a litany of complaints from women about how their husbands have "let themselves go" And although women value words and intimacy more to get sexually aroused, because generally their orgasmic system is far more sensitive to disruption than a man's, they tend to have more orgasmic problems caused by a number of factors in a relationship including the visual.

Hi,
I am glad to find this forum and see that there are many like me suffering from RE.
I am married and 30 years old. Me and My wife are planning to have a baby.
Since I am not able to ejaculate during the intercourse, we are planning to try out this method
First have a regular foreplay so that both of us are aroused.
then I masturbate till the point I am about to ejaculate.
Finally insert into my wife such that the ejaculation happens inside.

Does any expert here think, it will work? I hope it does.

Please let me know if any of you have tried this method.
Thanks,
Tim

I overcame RE

Note: I'm 19 years old. Few months ago i started being sexually active with one girl, and I couldnt ejaculate for 2 months with her. I've read tons of information about this, and nothing seemed to help (no matter how much I tried to relax and not to think about reaching it blah blah...).

On actionlove.com I've read that their herbs can help you, but you should also abstain from masturbating for a while. Well I dont doubt "dr. Lins" therapy would help, because the key is not to masturbate (or to be more precise - not to watch porn). Pills probably do nothing, but they give you much confidence (placebo effect). TMS sufferers therapy also gave me some ideas on how to cure RE.


This solution is addressed to young people with RE. I think that the main problem is NUMBNESS of the penis. This is what you should do.


1. go to http://lightwave.proboards48.com/index.cgi .
2. Decide to abstain from porn AND masturbating for at least 3 weeks. Your girl shoud wait. See each other, go out, make out in public, but do not hang out in private (her or yours place) because you dont want to ruin all these days of abstaining). Dont worry if you expirience wet dream. Yust keep on until 20 - 30 days of abstaining are over. DO NOT WATCH ANY PORN OR EROTIC MATERIAL BY ALL MEANS! TOUCH YOUR PENIS ONLY WHEN YOU PISS AND SHOWER!
3. Do all STD's tests with your girlfriend.
4. Have sex with her without condom. (some oral sex would be nice)
5. Start having intercourse. You'll notice that you can feel your penis during intercourse. And not for the first few minutes, but all the time. But you'll still probably need some really strong movements to be able to reach climax. Take your time. After 10-15 minutes get in missionary position and f*** her faster and faster until you feel you're near. It's really hard to keep it fast, but it's the only way. Even if your penis softens (lose erection) just try to keep it going.
6.When you get to the point of no returnpull it out and come all over her body. You will be the happiest couple in the worldand you wont be able to get your smile off your face for a while.

If you dont reach orgasm:
1. if your penis is still numb, abstain for 2 more weeks and try again
2. if your penis wasnt numb, try again some day (next day, maybe?). If it doesnt happen again, try once more. You'll need very fast stimulation to reach orgasm, so you should really have good stamina. It WILL HAPPEN.

After this you'll probably slip into porn again easily, and if RE comes back, stop using porn for lifetime. Orgasms are really better this way.

I hope this will help some of you. Feel free to ask anything. [/b]

All good advice except the Actionlove part....

One more time:

"But sexual arousal in humans is an extrememly complicated system where a whole lot of ducks have to line up for orgasm to be achieved. And getting all these duckies in a row chemically has eluded the big pharmas for years. And it may be many more years until they get it right....and cash in big.

The point of all this in regard to "Dr." Lin and Actionlove is- do you really believe that if this guy, working in his basement lab or wherever he concocts his potions, has actually come up with something that would cure the inibility to achieve orgasm, that the big pharmacutical companies wouldn't be all over him like ants in a sugar bowl? I mean these companies are sending researchers into the wilds of Africa and the jungles of Brazil just to check out RUMORS of native "love potions" said to make the dead cum. And they have been searching for the big aphrodisiac discovery for decades, spending millions doing so.

I'm sure they have noticed Actionlove.com. It's much closer to home and it irritatingly pops up every time you Google "sexual dysfunction"

No, Mr and mrs Lin are just another couple of internet snake oil salesmen hoping to attract a few dollars from the gullible and the desperate."

Tim-- if your method fails there is a back up plan you can use. I have severe RE (can only orgasm by masturbating myself) and I also have two healthy, happy kids concieved using this method:

http://www.fertilityplus.org/faq/homeinsem.html

Good luck!

Anonymous wrote:All good advice except the Actionlove part....

One more time:

"But sexual arousal in humans is an extrememly complicated system where a whole lot of ducks have to line up for orgasm to be achieved. And getting all these duckies in a row chemically has eluded the big pharmas for years. And it may be many more years until they get it right....and cash in big.

The point of all this in regard to "Dr." Lin and Actionlove is- do you really believe that if this guy, working in his basement lab or wherever he concocts his potions, has actually come up with something that would cure the inibility to achieve orgasm, that the big pharmacutical companies wouldn't be all over him like ants in a sugar bowl? I mean these companies are sending researchers into the wilds of Africa and the jungles of Brazil just to check out RUMORS of native "love potions" said to make the dead cum. And they have been searching for the big aphrodisiac discovery for decades, spending millions doing so.

I'm sure they have noticed Actionlove.com. It's much closer to home and it irritatingly pops up every time you Google "sexual dysfunction"

No, Mr and mrs Lin are just another couple of internet snake oil salesmen hoping to attract a few dollars from the gullible and the desperate."

You didn't get a point. Dr Lin IS A QUACK and i know nobody from here will buy his products. BUT if someone does without knowing that, it's possible thet he will get cured - because his therapy will give him confidence.

HIS THERAPY ALSO INCLUDE ABSTAINING FROM MASTURBATION FOR A WHILE - WHISH IS THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING> PILLS PROBABLY DO NOTHING.


DO NOT BUY STUFF FROM ACTIONLOVE.COM.

Just try to live healthy and abstain from porn.

Stevie, interesting! I wish you well. I'm glad you have had some success.

I'm someone who has had RE off and on for 5-8 years largely as a side affect of the taking the wrong kind of antidepressants and a biochemical problem, thought to be a small thyroid deficiency. (My story is told with my first post on page 26 of this thread.) I want to respond to Jay and anyone else interested.

I'm wondering what your response is to this? Call this "forum peer response or review." What if one could find a way to increase glans penis sensitivity, decrease the time and effort coming to the "edge" before E, or call it increasing the speed and intensity of arousal or decreasing the orgasmic threshold by the use of an ointment or topical on the glans penis one half to two hours before love making? The clitoris is homologous or analogous to the male glans penis. Why wouldn't some of the things that are suggested for anorgamia, lack of orgasm or lack of arousal in women also be helpful sometimes for men? Why isn't it worth a try!

In my research on this issue, I came across an article called Female Sexual Dysfuntion: Principles of Diagnosis and Therapy, found in vol. 60, no.3 of the journal, Obstetrical and Gynecological Survey, page 202, Table 3, Therapy for Arousal Disorder.

Medication/Therapy
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Mode of Delivery
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topical - L-arginine: Vigel, Viacreme, Femore, Sensua

topical - Zestra for women

topical - Alprostidil: Femprox (under development)

oral - L-arginine: ArginMax

oral - L-arginine plus yohimbine (under development)

oral - Avlimil

oral - Sildenafil (Viagra), prescription required

mechanical therapy - Eros Therapy [Not feasible for men]
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Most of the above can be purchased without prescription needed.

I have not, do not now or ever plan to sell any of these items in the future. I have no vested interest in the above. I will look at these items and if I plan to purhase any to experiment with, I plan to evaluate them on the basis of a cost-benefit ratio. I want to start with the possibility of receiving the biggest "bang for the buck."

The penis is innervated (supplied with nerves) by the dorsal nerve to the glans and the frenulum (the edge of the glans) by the perineal nerve, (two separate nerves, amazing!).

Innervation of the Human Glans Penis, Claire C. Yang and William E. Bradley, The Journal of Urology, vol161, 97-102, Jan 1999. Peripheral Distribution of the Human Dorsal Nerve of the Penis, Yang, Bradley, vol 159, 1912-1917, June 1998.

The protein amino acid L-arginine can be converted to and be an effective supplier of the biochemical nitric oxide (NO) which is so important for sexual arousal, orgasm and ejaculation. The main problem with using multigram amounts of L-arginine orally is that it raises body ammonia levels and can promote the growth of herpes virus in those already bothered by the virus. Ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate is a precursor of arginine and is an ammonia-free source of the amino acid ornithine. Ornithine does not promote herpes. For anyone who has even mild lip herpes could use ornithine which is readily converted to arginine in ones body. The hazards of arginine are small.

The Nature of Human hazards Associated with Excessive Intake of Amino Acids, by Peter J. Garlick, J. Nutr. 134: 1633S-1639S, 2004.

Ornithine alpha-Ketoglutarate as a Potent Precursor of Arginine and Nitric Oxide: A New Job for an Old Friend, by Luc Cynober, J. Nutri. 134: 2858S-2862S, 2004

I'm curious if there are any family medical practitioners, psychiatrists, clinical psychologists, sex therapists, sex surrogates, etc. that may check this forum and read any of these threads on this forum? A Dr. Greene, as guest, was the first to post. There's been nearly 28,000 hits since early 2004. Surely, we could get a response also from a medical professional.

It's a bit scary to try and open "pandora's box' and be open to the possibility for lots of criticism. But since this is a forum, why not? Here is where one should be able to bring something up and chat about it.

I am not a doctor (retired nutritionist) but still believe in the idea of "doing no harm." The best medicine in my view is evidence-based and separate of any bias as much as possible. Research that is double-blinded is still the best but is expensive and scarce, especially in the area of RE. Since situational retarded ejaculation is so little researched to date, one has to get information and help somehow with imagination and sometimes through speculation, extrapolation of existing research and by trial and error.

Sorry , I've made this too long. I know that I should be more precise, but I guess that I don't know how.

Don wote:

"Why wouldn't some of the things that are suggested for anorgamia, lack of orgasm or lack of arousal in women also be helpful sometimes for men? Why isn't it worth a try! "

I believe this statement is very important and should be paid attention to by Sex Therapists, RE researchers and others who attempt who treat retarded ejaculation.

From a psychological perspective, female anorgasmia, for the most part, has exactly the same root causes as retarded ejaculation. Axiety, lack of attraction, lack of full arousal etc.

But a comparison of the information available for both dysfunctions reveals a shocking lack of new ideas for treating RE as opposed to anorgasmia. The psychological approaches are even different.

Therapists treating men with RE should read the literature available on treating anorgasmia. Goodness knows there
is far more info, treatment options and far less bizzare theory mongering going on on the female side of things.

As in men with psychogenic RE, women's lack of arousal, caused by anxeity, relationship troubles or lack of attraction, effects the sesitivity of the genitals, namely, the clitoris. It is exactly the same thing as the numb penis men with RE feel during oral, manual or vaginal stimulation by the partner. And although in both cases the numbness is psychologically induced by low arousal levels, the treatments should be the same.

So using methods, both the application of medicines and psychological approaches to treatment, that work for women, should work for men to.

Anorgasmia gets more attention and research time because of the numbers. Although the actual numbers for men are probably higher, reports say that less than 4% of men complaining of sexual dysfunction have RE. For women Anorgasmia is reported by up to 45% of women. So both men suffering from RE and the doctors and therapists treating them should really jump on the Anorgasmia bandwagon and take a ride. We may very may discover that what works for the goose may very well help the gander.

"Goodness knows there is far more info, treatment options and far less bizzare theory mongering going on on the female side of things."

Not true. There really are no treatment options for women that work much better than a placebo. All those over-the-counter products are, in fact, taking advantage of the fact that there is nothing out there for women with low desire or sensation. Going through your list:

L-arginine: Vigel, Viacreme, Femore, Sensua: Snake oil - In fact, I believe L-arginine can't even be absorbed through the skin in any significant manner, so it's basically useless.

Zestra - What a crock. All this is is a massage oil that smells horrific. The makers of this product are all about marketing. They even go so far as to publish a ridiculously UNscientific "scientific study" and use this to promote their product. They also issue press releases claiming their study has been "accepted by the NIH" when in reality ANY study can be posted on the NIH website. They are scamming people.

Alprostadil (Femprox) - The company that makes Femprox is about to be delisted from the stock market. There is another company that makes a topical alprostadil (Alista) that is in development. The results of the Phase II trials were technically "statistically significant", but barely any better than placebo. This product also burns/stings. It will never get FDA approval mostly because of its lack of efficacy.

Avlimil - this is another scam. The company that makes Avlimil has Better Business Bureau complaints against it for defrauding its customers (continuing to charge their credit cards).

Sildenafil (Viagra) - Pfizer's trials in women using Viagra were disappointing, and they gave up on pursuing FDA approval of Viagra for women. It will likely be helpful to the very small number of women who have blood flow problems as they age (as in men).

Guest, I sincerely am glad that you responded to my post. I think that I would rather be wrong on 9/10 of what I had posted, then your not being able to find something of use for yourself in the future from my post. Cynicism for me often comes out of frustration of never being able to find an answer to a problem, especially when it goes on and on and on for years. It's a real grind!

If you would know me, you would know that I'm also cynical like many out there because there are loads of hype or BS out there regarding products everywhere one looks. I also know that I'm a "johnny come lately to this forum" and I'm not too smart, but I've done alot of homework and will not give up easily.

It does not at all mean that the information that I had posted before was correct just because it was quoted essentially verbatim from a peer reviewed journal and written by three medical doctors from the Division of Urogyneology and Reconstructive Pelvic Surgery, Good Samaritan Hospital, Cincinnati, Ohio and published in the journal - Ostetrical and Gynecological Survey. They simply may have blown it! They may be all wet! The article wasn't directed to me. The target audience was obstetricians, gynecologists and family physicians as a continuing education article.

Now, whether Vigel, Viacreme, Femore, Senua is snake oil, you may be right! However, I'm sorry but you're dead wrong about L-arginine, that it "can't even be absorbed through the skin in any significant manner, so it's basically useless." Tell me that after an honest reading of the following.

Go on Google Scholar, regular Google or Yahoo search and type in at search - transdermal arginine delivery, and see what you'll find.

Some of the following would be helpful:

A novel method for the delivery of nitric oxide therapy to the skin of human subjects using a semi-permeable membrane, Clinical Science (2001) 100, 395-400.

www.medscape.com/viewarticle/466972_print
www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/def ... il&ID=4281
www.naturalpleasure.com/patent_2.html
www.warmcream.com/patent.html
www.healthibetic.ca/healthibetic/patent-2.html
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Par ... =%2Fnetaht
patent application 20040219206, Solid Dose Delivery Vehicle and Methods of Making Same

Aginine and Endothelial and Vascular Health, J. Nutri 134: 2880S-2887S, 2004

Conjugation of Arginine Oligomers to Cyclosporin A Facilitates Topical Delivery and Inhibition of Inflammation, Nature Medicine, vol. 6, no. 11, Nov. 2000

www.pubmed.gov Berner B, John VA - Pharmacokinetic Characterisation of Transdermal Delivery Systems

Don't take my word for any of this. Check it out for yourself and if you want to check with your doctor first before you use an arginine cream or dermal patch on your penis, please do so.