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Postby user03 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:44 pm

i was wondering if anyone relates to this but i always felt it was a awkward thing that people would listen to music using earphones / headphones in public and i simply never can make sense from it. i take a gym class and notice the typical fashion of a few people wearing headphones / earphones and listening to something, not just of course in gym classes.

i mentioned this in a previous gym class to someone passively and he was like, you aren't supposed to focus on the music, you're supposed to just let it play in the background naturally. but i don't think he understood me, my point was i saw no purpose or meaning from it, no functional use, it didn't help me in any way and if anything, it just makes interacting and prioritizing harder, like i already have difficulty focusing on one thing at a time in a stable / functional manner, why would i want something that just adds to that?

it's funny how one guy too was like, i need to find a good song before i do my next exercise and in my head i'm like, whatever :roll: , as long as people are doing their own thing and i can do my own thing without us annoying each other, then that's fine, but i would never do that or would i WANT to.

listening to music ( out loud ) in general in public when around other people, depending on the song can make me paralyzed or cause me to have psycho motor retardation ( i think i mentioned this in my other post ), unless it's a certain type of song, laid back, low key or "chill" song, in which then it's ok if it is playing in the background and i can then do my own thing and simply be there and function.

also, i read somewhere that this behavior, listening to headphones / earphones may be more "common" in "introverts", i had done some research on this and some people say it's to block outside noise or help their social anxiety, but this doesn't make any sense to me and is counterproductive, if your blocking noise or external stimuli from the environment, all you are doing is making it harder to know what the hell is going on and if anything, this would make things worse, at least for me, i need to have physical awareness of my surroundings, i need to naturally and comfortably have visual awareness and relaxing in the environment just like any normal human being does, if i can't, then of course i can be agitated, stressed and may suffer from avolition, Alexithymia, or other problems.

btw, that social anxiety example i used with the person blocking noise was an INTJ, so that can explain at least partially why i don't relate because i am an ISFJ. i don't see why someone would function like that around others or in public, like it makes sense if you do that alone as a private way of functioning, emotional regulation, etc. it also confuses me because it's the same way with drugs and alcohol, like all these people drink and smoke or whatever around others, like isn't that just asking for trouble, by making yourself more dysregulated, etc, if anything that can cause havok in interpersonal or social settings, but yes, i know you're gonna say, well, it's a social thing or something that "normal" people may do, but i would like to add that IQ ( in my opinion ) AND mbti, are more of the deciding factors, someone with a higher IQ and / or certain mbti type, usually NOT ISFJ will do these things and it does turn out the same way, most, if not all the people i see functioning this way are all different MBTI types AND /or they have higher IQ's than me.

i don't need to get in a debate of IQ, because people will already misunderstand where i am "coming from" or what i mean by IQ, etc. I already have had the same explanations and understanding on IQ, all of which further proove my points as valid, it's not rocket science, but your more than open to share something politely, chances are i'll either compliment it as a good point and / or i will just flat out disagree with you, etc.
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Postby iabsurdlyexist » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:45 am

I gotta hear what is going on around me so I couldn't wear them in public. Partial paranoia? I don't concentrate as well with music on either. If I am just zoning out, fine. I consider myself an INTJ so not sure MBTI comes into play here. My IQ hasn't been tested since I was teenager and at that point, I was above average. Not sure if that has anything to do with this either.
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Postby user03 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:07 pm

iabsurdlyexist wrote:I gotta hear what is going on around me so I couldn't wear them in public. Partial paranoia? I don't concentrate as well with music on either. If I am just zoning out, fine. I consider myself an INTJ so not sure MBTI comes into play here. My IQ hasn't been tested since I was teenager and at that point, I was above average. Not sure if that has anything to do with this either.


well i was gonna say what type of IQ test you took, above average doesn't say much, even if you took it as a teenager. i got my iq test done professionally by a psychologist a few years back, this is also when i got my first diagnosis of schizotypal personality disorder alongside existing depression or major depressive disorder which i already was diagnosed prior a few years before that.

the specific iq test i did i think was called Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale, my psychologist gave me my results and indicated to me as "Average" IQ, but that didn't help me much. it would seem that possibly if we were using a number and he was combining all my strengths and weaknesses, that overall, it fell under the average range, however, this is still unclear, considering that "Average" iq ( in terms of raw IQ point range ) can fall anywhere from 85 i believe to as high as 114 i think, that's a huge gap.

someone who is barely average in overall IQ such as 88 can function considerably worse and have significantly lower quality of life than someone for example, with an iq of 105, yet both of them are grouped in the same "category". this of course is one flaw i see in general with iq tests, but you can't apply this same relation to people with high or above average iq's, i was never given a number for my iq result.

even if you were to apply the relation of how some people with high iq's may have bell curves in that they perform very well in one area but very low in other, these people usually will fall under the high average or above average iq range, but rarely will you have someone who is merely "Average", but also has high variation in traits.

now, here is something i found ironic of course, the intern i saw who was offering me talk therapy a little while back, even though he told me his iq was tested as average, he seemed more understanding, "open minded", and "intelligent" than the majority of other people i'd see in life in general, but specifically other past therapists, etc. i mean a general explanation to this can be that well, his personality was similar to mine and so we were able to think about things similarly and therefore reach conclusions similarly, etc, but it's just something about people like him, people like "me", that their way of perception / body language indicates higher clarity of understanding than other people i meet.

for example, with the current psychologist i see, i have to put so much effort through literal and verbal language for her to somewhat "Get me" or what i am trying to say, where as with other people like that last internet i saw, they get it without you necessarily giving every little detail or perfectly phrasing everything, so many times i had to pause my current psychologist and be like, no...., that's not how i feel or think like and she's like o :o . it doesn't seem that my facial expressions and body language conveys much meaning to her, i actually somewhat criticized her ( or at least i wanted to ) from her lack of understanding due to her weak "Fe", or weak / lack of proper extraverted feeling in MBTI.

although she never took the MBTI test herself, she could even be a Fe type herself, although unlikely, but i still found it ironic that she wouldn't pick up on things that the other intern would, maybe it's a sixth sense type of thing, i dunno, maybe it's related to enneagram type 6 which i am, i dunno. but this also related to her lack of understanding, flawed perception on a video i showed her which was sluggish cognitive tempo vs adhd by Russell Barkley.

She did remember to take me into account when watching the videos, but not surprisingly, her analysis was similar to the typical people i'd see on the forums or places like reddit, inaccurately understanding barkley's viewpoints and / or criticizing him for the slightest imperfections or errors he may have made, despite his body language and way of communication being very good and he at many points clearly indicated this both verbally and through body language / visual characteristics, facial expressions, tone of voice, etc, yet it's like half the world that looks at him are idiots and can't follow through with him in a normal sense.

there was some INTP guy in the forum saying he should calm down basically or take some drugs or whatever, i would have responded saying, um, no he doesn't..., he is perfectly fine and doesn't need a darn thing other than a better understanding from people in general, and then you have all these ADHD people who clearly have profound comprehension problems ( not due to IQ ) keep arguing and talking about things that make no sense, espicially the large sample of "ADD" or ADHD-PI groups that are off saying that stimulants helped them and saying they "Relate" to sct, despite Barkley's actual research study indicated that they clearly don't... :roll: .
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Postby iabsurdlyexist » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:27 pm

There are too many types of IQ for any single one to be truly meaningful. The only reason I did it was because early in High School is when I was sure I was different than other people. So, I saw the school therapist, talked things over and she gave me an IQ test. I don't recall the name since that was over 20 years ago but I was in the 99.8 percentile on an adult IQ test. Unfortunately, at that time, I did not figure out the kind of different I was.

I surely do understand that flowing with certain people is a great experience. Others, words just seem to fall flat. Not quite sure why there is a disconnect at times.
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Postby malou » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:55 am

iabsurdlyexist wrote:There are too many types of IQ for any single one to be truly meaningful. The only reason I did it was because early in High School is when I was sure I was different than other people. So, I saw the school therapist, talked things over and she gave me an IQ test. I don't recall the name since that was over 20 years ago but I was in the 99.8 percentile on an adult IQ test. Unfortunately, at that time, I did not figure out the kind of different I was.

I surely do understand that flowing with certain people is a great experience. Others, words just seem to fall flat. Not quite sure why there is a disconnect at times.

what types of iq are you talking about?
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Postby Autumn218 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:00 am

I think wearing headphones is actually so that you can block people out and make them stop bothering you even.
But if you have anxiety it can work opposite because it prevents you from being hypervigilant and too aware
and feels more vulnerable.
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Postby iabsurdlyexist » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:12 pm

malou wrote:what types of iq are you talking about?


Here is a list I found online. I believe most general IQ tests are mainly logical-mathematical.

Naturalist (nature smart)
Musical (sound smart)
Logical-mathematical (number/reasoning smart)
Existential (life smart)
Interpersonal (people smart)
Bodily-kinesthetic (body smart)
Linguistic (word smart)
Intra-personal (self smart)
Spatial (picture smart)
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Re: wearing headphones / earphones in public, other stuff

Postby malou » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:59 pm

iabsurdlyexist wrote:
malou wrote:what types of iq are you talking about?


Here is a list I found online. I believe most general IQ tests are mainly logical-mathematical.

Naturalist (nature smart)
Musical (sound smart)
Logical-mathematical (number/reasoning smart)
Existential (life smart)
Interpersonal (people smart)
Bodily-kinesthetic (body smart)
Linguistic (word smart)
Intra-personal (self smart)
Spatial (picture smart)

Yes you mentioned types of intelligence but they dont have much to do with IQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient
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Postby xcagedsilhouttex » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:59 pm

Personally I love wearing headphones especially when I am in public places. I find that without it the noises become overwhelming. I can zone in on the sounds I want to hear rather than the bustle of people and traffic.

I did an IQ test when I was a teen (WAIS) and it was above average but I never took the results seriously as I has already been faced with questions like the ones involved in an IQ test and I thought that that scewered the results.

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Postby malou » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:45 am

Personally I love wearing headphones especially when I am in public places. I find that without it the noises become overwhelming. I can zone in on the sounds I want to hear rather than the bustle of people and traffic.

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however when it is quiet, for example in a forest, i wear no headphones
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