voices or the devil?

i think my previous post was a bit misleading... i'm not convinced i'm supernatural or anything, when i said i don't believe i'm psychotic... i meant my symptoms don't exhibit psychosis... just largely mania or such since i'm completely functional

"i just think i'm telepathic and that i'm communicating to other people in the world... i mean on earth.." -- dude, i feel the exact same way!!!! i know it's not true tho because think about this...

when the other people communicate back, do they ever use vocabulary that you can't understand or use phrases that you don't know? if you were really communicating with others telepathically, they would almost definitely do that sometimes!!!


but dude i know exactly how you feel and it seems so damn real and perhaps a tiny tiny tiny bit of it is, and it really makes me wonder wtf would happen if we were ever in the same room together. lol

and i really don't think anyone supernatural wants to kill you because trust me, if they were powerful aliens or powerful demons or whatever, wouldn't they have done it already? if they wanted you dead, you'd already be dead! strangely comforting, i know

i know it seems real...wow does it some real!!!!!! i became involved in fake life mini-series type things in my head and even went to europe to attempt to validate the realness. i have stories to tell of all these sortof scenario's occuring ...that i experience in my head. they are all extremely complicated and detail, detail, detailed.

but keeping your beliefs in telepathy standing, what is the value of telepathic communication. of course to humans it is zero and to you it is zero. the amount of real and fun experience ya get with another person in 5 mins of talking can WAY beat 6 months of telepathic. telepathy is another form of masturbation...plain and simple, is all it is.

butttt....you should feel nooo shame with the beliefs that flow to you!!!!! mean, omg, what are ya to do? these telepathic beliefs just present themselves to you and they are difficult/impossible to ignore.

you are to MINIMALIZE there importance to you! do not romanticize them or actively attempt communication/dialog. do not get seduced by what amounts to playing with noise (noise that is ordered and given meaning to you by you). your head is doing all the communicating...yesss, both sides of the seeming dialog is you! yesss even the hard to understand phrases is coming from you.

so what is the value of the telepathy...well it is certainly not greater than 5 minutes of fun with a real person. i'm thinking it has all downsides and absolutely no upsides.

yepppppp....from my experience.

Okay so I dont really think I can relate in the same way, however I have used some very powerful psychoactives to induce hallucinations. Through my experiences many bizarre and other-worldly things have happened. Usually though, the trips last for about 10 to 15 minutes tops. However, onetime audible hallucinations persisted for something like 5 hours straight, which there is no way could had been purely based on the chemical DMT. Instead, I believe it worked as a catalyst, but that's besides the point.

The point is, the voices, the ones that spoke to me, in a very machine like manner, had many things to say. At the time, I set aside all my notions of crazy, and let myself completely submerge into that place. Now, whether or not it was a dumb thing to do is besides the point. I believe it was the acceptance and the absence of fear which allowed me to go into my own mind like that.

I believe a lot of this is related to how we perceive ourselves. In a way, it's almost like you experience the things you want to experience, and so while you may not think you want to experience the devil talking to you, it may be related to the fact that people have told you this before, and that you have already labeled yourself as "sick". So, the aesthetics the mind creates could possibly be a byproduct of your self image.

Drug induced psychosis is very different, the drugs do that to you. Or maybe they just free your mind so you can see and hear what you're usually out of tune with.

We are not alone in this world, is that scary? Depends on how you want to interpretate I suppose. I was terrified but now I'm thankful, my darkest moments have given me meaning and purpose and a light beamed.

The only thing to fear is fear itself. The fear behind the unknown is what keeps us living, yet the search can be a curse at the same time. It's about how it affects your life and functioning.

I was told I was ill, I almost was convinced by everyone around me. I see it as a gift, and the doctor will say I'm grandiose, so I keep quiet now and as far away from mental health services as possible. They make you ill. Do you call others delusional because they don't hear what you can or see what you do?

Yes you make some great points. What is delusional really? Is it what the masses believe to be real, and everything else or anything that goes against that is labeled sick and delusional? The universe is filled with infinite possibilities, some probably so far fetched and bizarre that we couldn't even begin to comprehend it not even in a billion years. But then, there is this one common thing we all know to be true, and it's that we are alive here on this planet.

We all create our own beliefs, and we mold our realities around them. In terms of modern psychology, dr's would label just about everyone who believes in a god or religion delusional. Right? I mean, wouldn't it be delusional to worship something that no one else can see? Wouldn't it be considered delusional to have faith in something no one can see? No, but that is only because there are so many people with this belief. But, the second someone has a unique experience, belief or other unknown thought we are quick to label them as sick and delusional. And, in many ways, I believe this is purely a defensive mechanism of society.

I say that because in many ways people don't want to feel like their beliefs are challenged. Someone who has spent their whole lives studying religion, worshiping god, going to church, centering their entire life around this belief will more than likely not want to deal with something that would potentially challenge that ideal, because in so many ways that idea is really a major part in who they are. And, as we all know, no one wants to be told your life's journey was in vain, worthless or otherwise null & void.

So, when you have your own idea of life, reality and your existance, if it does not fit into the norm of society, you are then a threat to that societies way of life. And, as life would have it, all threats will be combated in some way. Unfortunately for some, the method of combat is the delusion of being delusional. You believe in something that contradicts something everyone else believes in? Your sick. You have visions of things you believe to be real? Your sick, because it's IMPOSSIBLE to have visions of things that no one else can see.

Anyways, I could go on and on and on about this stuff. And, while I really do believe that there truly are "sick" people out there who do indeed have medical illnesses, it does not mean that everyone who is different than the socially acceptable norm is sick! Who's to say that people with schizophrenia are not actually people who are further evolved than us? Perhaps they are the next step in human evolution, having the ability to see other aspects of reality that the majority of us can't? And, while I know that is really stepping out on a limb here, like I mentioned above, the universe is filled with infinite possibilities.

are not us humans bound by similar wants/needs??? is not the learning of how to achieve the realizations of wants/needs part of each persons responsibility.

life is not such a complicated issue at the heart of it for a single individual rob...and mental illness is a distraction from acquiring the simple things ya really do desire. we all suffer to some degree with unrealized wants/loves/desires/needs.

do you think acceptance of OTHER norms is the key here...acceptance of mental illness as a part of the human condition? what about acceptance of the people that are lacking mental illness????

people tend to enjoy engagement, fun, and interesting. seems a natural thing to me hm? why would talking about the devil be engaging in any regard besides a single passing conversation?? it's boring and uninteresting....and some creepy.

mental illness is what it is and surely each case has its' unique attributes. it is not a normal thing cause it hinders the individual from realizing their own true wants (yes is always exceptions).

When in psychosis, is it possible that you produce a different vibration and see different things in the time space? It is believed that all that exists is in the same space and we can only interact with what produces the same vibration as you do. I am not schizophrenic, but I have a lot of respect for the severity of the suffering of people with it. I question carefully, and mean no offence.

Some people believe that psychopathy and schizophrenia is linked to the devil. What if they are the vessels of evil, and have to confront themselves in order to not be bothered by it anymore? Laugh at the devil and pray to God, he will not be able to hurt you anymore. It is not wrong to use prayer and religion as a focal point to guide you towards inner peace. Most religious people I know suffer from some form of mental illness.

it is a complicated thing to say what is wrong and right for how you base your faith. a strong faith was almost all i had left with in my battle with schizophrenic symptoms. my faith was based more on nature with the belief that things will be as they should (and the way things should be is good).

seems to me faith based on religion, when paired with mental illness, is very problematic cause of religions's abstract nature. schizophrenia incessantly serves up the abstract as though it is real in a demandingly real fashion. how can you base your faith on religion during moments such as this. for me, my religious beliefs were used against me and supplied me with nothing positive (to say the least).

another factor against basing faith on religion for me is that i did not take drugs for my symptoms (and soo my symptoms were extremely strong and never ending)...so i HAD to have a non-abstract based faith. perhaps a properly medicated patient could benefit from faith based on religion.

i don't know on the religious things, just seems to me to have more downsides than not. but hey, ya know, my world is a small one with little/no study on this matter. assuredly someone else can express more eloquently and worldly.

I too have had telepathic experiences yet I've learnt to realize this information comes from another world that may act symbolically or in abstract as to not get fixatedd on concepts that llead to delusion, I guess it takes self-discipline to take the info with a grain of salt [whatever that really means, you know what I mean]...I used to think in retrospect that I had attempted communication with a deviant spirit or diabolical similar to being a devil, it would make sense because I have to realize that it could induce delusion, or that is simply expecting too much from interacting with beings of the astral realm...... '

some instances I'm puzzled by some characters [I should note that I'm not exactly talking about voices but intentional and daydreaming kind of thing that a psychiatrist may reduce to being a hallucination yet I don't say it really is]..puzzled as to whether they were mortals or a figment of another world that can interact with mortals, like was she a mortal astral projecting into my space to cure my isolation or a different kind of spirit? was she aware in her mortal mind of interacting with me? was she conscious of me or did I merely meet with an extension of her that she could only be aware of in dream, did I create her with my own desire for another person to share my time with? and it was an illusion of her telepathically coming into my life, it was confusing to understand ..sometimes she would be in several places at once, then I was confused to whether other beings could pretend to be her [I don;t know if it is humanly possible to be conscious of this interaction as it extended to hours of the day]

I also met with a deceased famous person but Im forbidden to mention her name, I happened to read about that claimed she had attained immortal life, yet immortal on a different world to us mortals, she didn;;t reach immortality like crawling out of her grave but went on to experience life from a different perspective, maybe it is an attainment, I'll have to look back at Buddhism to know if there is virtue of being an earth bound spirit but what a lonely existence if you can only talk to schizo's and send them into a whirlwind or hospital for mental illness, maybe the virtue comes with the ability to have a solitary life, maybe they can interact with eachother, like this is a world we chose, when we die, although I suspect some beings may be born like that [maybe I should try a bit harder next time I'm off my meds to understand where these beings actually come from but I feel rude to ask if they are mortal and telepathic or they are ghosts or born to the astral realm, don;t want to insult them, usualluy they gesture for me to Shhhoosh...

I've also experienced interaction with angels, goddess Ma'at [truth and justice and order in the universe from Egypt, I loved her although was very intimidating and scary the first time I prayed to her she came in a storm and rather volatile-I guess I have to understand who I was dealing with, she later came to me in astral form like a mortal yet covered in feathers [sometimes she didn;;t have feathers, she typically sat on my fence, I still loved her-she wore a beak when she came into my bed when I was trying to sleep ] contacted ET intelligence [they were weird but interesting, some just in vision with no dialogue of a very peaceful and wise species black feathers], jesus [not a christian yet have respect and he bathed me in golden light, yet couldn't interfere with the war going on with hostile entities--I had some revelation into the nature of second coming, maybe it really is up to us? those who get a hunch that they are to undertake a divine life and have messianic strivings and we will win [if not in the afterlife yet I'm unsure of the affect of psychiatric persecution and affect of antipsychotics on prospective afterlife-don;t mean to scare anyone but I haven;t died yet to tell you what to look out for, but I guess if you have faith that we are victims of pharmakea, withcraft and sorcery and a very evil thing of earth that is prophecized that psychiatry is doomed, but what for the victims? I don't know [one dude I met in hospital liked satan and claimed psychiatry was the work of god, but I don;t believe this, or is there some purpose, maybe to dispell the false prophet?? maybe not, there are many worthy peopple taken down by psychiatry so I doubt this, or we have strived to soon and before our time]---

The second coming I suspected or helped to understand it in its context of being more hostile and cleansing of earth, wouldnt be looking forward to second coming for most people on earth, they would depict it as hostile and destructive and perhaps evil--maybe we go through trials like of karma to transcend into a more pure way of life, a psychiatrist wouldnt understand this -they say I am deluded about spirituality, yet I only speak of possibility and some things I know for fact that are definitely not delusion.

yeah these astral entities can only interact with clairvoyants or schizo's, maybe there is a whole bunch of different entities that operate on this realm that we pick up on good and bad, some are beautiful and totally not intending to cause delusion maybe that is our own fault.....not sure about forcefull things that are authentic voices and hallucinations [they could extend from trauma of isolation of feelings of alienation? therefore more of a type of involuntary daydreaming].

I have heard that voices may be a trick of the devil... I am very surprised that a psychiatrist would suggest such things rather then putting you in a box and making you accept that you are schizophrenic, its strange but I must say that I would appreciate a psychiatrist with an open mind like this.