After getting schiz do you still believe in God?

I was very religious, spent a lot of time in the bible, prayed, always despite the outcome tried to do what was right.

Then I got schiz, went very delusional, then got medicated, and spent a lot of time trying to come to terms with my illness.

I thought about everything, how unfair it was, how could I be judged in the after life if I had to have medication in this life to be normal?

I lost a lot of things because of schiz, I hope it does not strip me of my faith as well.

Did schiz change your perspective on religion?

I think because of schitzophrenia my perceptions of religion are warped, but I still beleive in God, I just don't beleive in the Bible. There's no religion that I know of that has my beleifs in it, but I still consider myself religious. In my own warped way, that is.

I believe in a God still.

But schiz has caused me to think long and hard about a lot of things in life.

Once you become delusional and then recover from it you tend to evaluate many things in life such as what is and is not and what may or may not be delusional.

The TV has preachers that stand on stage and say someone is suffering from x y and z and someone is in need of etc. Like they are playing amateur physic, then they get on stage and say God told me this and that and state that they have seen demons angels and etc. They seem very delusional if you listen to them with a logical mind set.

Also the bible has all kinds of stories in it that appear to be stories that a schiz might tell.

There are also many different religions, with many different books and many different beliefs many with stories that seem somewhat delusional.

It makes no sense that God would appear as a burning bush and speak to someone for example Moses and it sounds like Moses was schiz or under the influence of something.

Imagine if someone told their doctor they had spoken to God via a burning bush these days, they would have been told they were suffering from psychosis and need to be medicated. What makes 2000+ years ago any different?

It would be interesting for a shrink to evaulate each book of the bible and then classify that person as delusional (the writer of the book or the person it is about) I wonder how many books would be left in the bible if all the ones by or about delusional people were removed.

Once you come to terms with your illness you become critical of many things at least I did.

That is a delusion that is not a delusion as you are on the look out for a sign of a relapse.

leftandright wrote:The TV has preachers that stand on stage and say someone is suffering from x y and z and someone is in need of etc. Like they are playing amateur physic, then they get on stage and say God told me this and that and state that they have seen demons angels and etc. They seem very delusional if you listen to them with a logical mind set.

a lot of them are out to make money. Many have been investigated about that.
I do not know if you live in the USA or not, but i'm speaking specifically of the US.

also, i believe most tv preachers, if not all are evangelical protestants.
so, evangelism.
are you of that denomination or otherwise? You could look into that.
the different denominations of christianity can have varied beliefs on certain subjects of the bible.
including if demons can be seen
or if they are just an extremely negative energy

leftandright wrote:Imagine if someone told their doctor they had spoken to God via a burning bush these days, they would have been told they were suffering from psychosis and need to be medicated. What makes 2000+ years ago any different?

I do hear that in other parts of the world, schizophrenia would be considered a gift to a great degree.

though, that would probably still be weird to that time
i assume it being handled slightly differently.
obviously not of this time period kind of way.

Well I used to be a strict atheist, but drugs, reading and schizophrenia made me in to a spiritual agonistic. New Age, Eastern Religions, and Christian moralism all have a homage to my appeals.

The thing is that schizophrenia with Christianity can get really intense, but you probably seem to think that God doesnt love you in a way. I know I thought this, along with karmic cycles. Theres alot of ways to think about it, but this might just be preparing you for some sort of higher track if you want to get religious.

The thing is that were biological organisms and we all fail. God/universe/myself are a failure. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but things could certainly always be better and I see my self as a interluctor of evolutionary potentiality instead.

The thing that is really important is for you to get better in a multiplicity of ways, and you will get better. Which shouldnt be a problem in your routing of belief.

Hi visualisations, i remember on a recent post you tried to interpret my posts and mentioned about margins and how the margins are key. I see existence as a universal magnetic wave and i see it as being controlled vicariously by the universal magnetism using the loop hole margins surrounding each id and local reality. it is this vicarious loop hole margin control that is the closest description of god like that i can justify giving credibility to.
You mentioned humans are not perfect and the same applies to any id whether they’re seen as gods or atoms. It is the loop hole obstacle course that upgrades evolution. I admit we might be locally and externally helped or hindered with decent intentions or not. The point is sz is a symptom of acknowledging the magnetic repelling that happens when an obstacle is being identified and upgraded. That obstacle may be a human or a god or a belief from anywhere, the point is i believe it’s the universal magnetism adjusting itself through the loop hole margins that is the driving force of existence evolution.
Insular selfishness whether personally orientated , family orientated, faith or belief orientated or local reference orientated is the root cause of loop hole vulnerability. I see it everywhere. Locally there’s so much toxic false loyalty it is epidemic. One persons gold fish bowl is not the only one in existence, the same applies to one family, one local reality whether interpreted as local or external, or one library of local references. What’s possible in one moment in one local reality may not be in another moment in another reality. there’s always an overlap loop hole margin between the radar translation of one id’s radar to another or one local realities radar to another. it is these lost in translation loop hole margins that roughly determine where any id’s status is on the universal evolutionary ladder. How accurately an id’s actual logic status is matched by it’s local status creates a universal magnetic flow that eases with the nexus current or struggles against it depending on the degree of stretch differential and the residual turbulence. It’s a compromise of all influence that gives us all our in the moment magnetism. it is the universal magnetism that is more godlike than any god or any id anywhere. Effect evidence can be smeared and edited and contrived even by the compromise. it’s about knowing where the cut off points are of what to give credibility and what to not validate.

rog wrote:Hi visualisations, i remember on a recent post you tried to interpret my posts and mentioned about margins and how the margins are key. I see existence as a universal magnetic wave and i see it as being controlled vicariously by the universal magnetism using the loop hole margins surrounding each id and local reality. it is this vicarious loop hole margin control that is the closest description of god like that i can justify giving credibility to.
You mentioned humans are not perfect and the same applies to any id whether they’re seen as gods or atoms. It is the loop hole obstacle course that upgrades evolution. I admit we might be locally and externally helped or hindered with decent intentions or not. The point is sz is a symptom of acknowledging the magnetic repelling that happens when an obstacle is being identified and upgraded. That obstacle may be a human or a god or a belief from anywhere, the point is i believe it’s the universal magnetism adjusting itself through the loop hole margins that is the driving force of existence evolution.
Insular selfishness whether personally orientated , family orientated, faith or belief orientated or local reference orientated is the root cause of loop hole vulnerability. I see it everywhere. Locally there’s so much toxic false loyalty it is epidemic. One persons gold fish bowl is not the only one in existence, the same applies to one family, one local reality whether interpreted as local or external, or one library of local references. What’s possible in one moment in one local reality may not be in another moment in another reality. there’s always an overlap loop hole margin between the radar translation of one id’s radar to another or one local realities radar to another. it is these lost in translation loop hole margins that roughly determine where any id’s status is on the universal evolutionary ladder. How accurately an id’s actual logic status is matched by it’s local status creates a universal magnetic flow that eases with the nexus current or struggles against it depending on the degree of stretch differential and the residual turbulence. It’s a compromise of all influence that gives us all our in the moment magnetism. it is the universal magnetism that is more godlike than any god or any id anywhere. Effect evidence can be smeared and edited and contrived even by the compromise. it’s about knowing where the cut off points are of what to give credibility and what to not validate.

I admit there will always be weak extreme universal magnetic drag channelling through the weaker links in the evolutionary chain. I believe the same process of how we originated and manifested into existence could easily still be an ongoing process. There could be new existence constantly feeding into the universal evolutionary chain and filtering it’s way through the obstacles. I believe this may be caused by a karmic like imbalance of potential realising itself to adjust universal magnetism as it’s balance adjusts. The theories are important the same way safety nets are important. I believe some gods were originally used as belief weapons to try and bridge the gaps between awareness limitations. I believe they have since been elaborated and have incorporated their own tech to substanciate their status e.g metaphysics is trying to bridge the gap between current awareness the same way Christianity used to try to do it. i believe there will always be selfishness around and always a need for safety nets to deal with it. whether it’s pdocs or priests providing the safety net or using the safety net, the safety nets need to be a constant progression the same way our logic progresses. Existence is not, never was and never will be a status quo glacier in it’s own goldfish bowl. It is vicariously controlled more by what can never be done way more than what can ever be done.

the apparent rule is ...

if you talk to "God" or a god ... you're sane.
if "God" or a god talks to you ... you're insane. (though oddly enough you're told to listen to that small voice of conscience )

hello leftandright i'm now almost certain my context of 'delusion' bears no alignment with anyone else's so bear with me here.

leftandright wrote:I thought about everything, how unfair it was,...

if you're anything like me, then many scriptural passages come up that seem unfair and against me. it's common to have to read things over and over again (also while melding other parts together) and actually i would recommend this over a once-through. because the less unfair something seems once past the initial stage and mostly the more i realize that it was me being unfair, if that makes sense.

visualizations wrote:The thing is that were biological organisms and we all fail.

'all fall short of the glory of god'.

and yet we easily ignore this, and we proceed to set up our own hierarchies and begin to compare ourselves to one another and wedge leverage against our own brothers and sisters. i can't say that it wholly stems from the ignorance of this one scripture i quoted, but i will say that it plays a significant part.

leftandright you brought up televangelists and admittedly i haven't put any time into listening to any of them so i ought not to comment on this directly but i did want to comment on the latter part of that paragraph when you talked about delusional and logical and well like i said earlier i don't think i share the same context of what delusion is.

you are right in saying that the past is pretty much the same as the present. but the thing about today:

...they would have been told they were suffering from psychosis and need to be medicated

anybody can pretty much be told this and given powerful drugs to shut the brain off. yes there are lunatics out there and they exalt themselves in power and are praised by the people regardless if they screw the people and are told nothing regarding their lunacy. is lunacy the same context as it was that many years ago?

scriptures talk about madness. paul talks about it in regards to pentacost and speaking in tongues, and somehow he wraps the message up with 'love' pretty neatly. he writes of no fear of being ostracized by the community, only that love is included so that newcomers would not think they were mad but would be welcomed with open arms. is he suggesting that madness is the lack of love or incoherency?

there is seldom alignment of context when talking about madness and this is incredibly frustrating since everyone is talking about what they think is the same thing but is something else entirely. this doesn't apply to just 'madness' though.

It makes no sense that God would appear as a burning bush and speak to someone...

possibly. you mentioned 'questioning everything' earlier (my paraphrase), so, why does walking on ground make sense? how does it make sense we can't just slip through walls and floors? is it because we recognize something to just be a certain way? is it because we've seen something for long enough to gain the judgement to understand it? or is it just something we take for granted?

personally i'd go more with the second part regarding judgement and understanding.

there's alot of talk about battles and whatnot in the scriptures. a lot. i mentioned about us disregarding the existence of god and making up our own hierarchies and pitting ourselves against each other and claiming ourselvses gods. and the gospels talk a lot about the reversals of different things (weak/strong, rich/poor, first/last) regarding 'the kingdom'. usually what we think of something is one thing when really it's the complete opposite. the wealthy/powerful claimed this earth --- the meek shall inherit the earth...etcetcetc.

so there's different books that talk about 'mighty foes'. people/things that are considered mighty in the eyes of the people. the ocean, a phillistine, great rulers, animals, and so on. and people that are considered, in comparison, as nothing, are written to take them down. (a good rule of thumb is to take everything literally unless it's being described in literary figures, takes study but works). so moses apparently had a speech impediment, and he wasn't some awe-some conqueror. he was basically nothing of greatness, in the eyes of people. and this one was chosen to lead the captives free (the citizens also gave them a bunch of metals too) and as it is written, did so. there is a repeating theme in scriptures that pretty much annihilates our concept of 'great/small, rich/poor, strong/weak'.

much of the writings paint a picture for us on how we by ourselves are pretty much just wrong and like visualizations said, 'fail'.