Wondering about negativity of labelled "delusions"

I was wondering if it is possible others here have had so called 'delusions' (labelled so by external "professionals" or people) that didnt bother them, maybe sometimes but often not. As one person said they have to bother you. Of course if they dont bother you then theyd be more likely to be true following this logic. There is nothing I can do over certain unauthorized actions taken and I do not get upset generally over these events that occur that "professionals" or actors say are "delusions." Though I feel they are of course wrong, the events that occur (assault/pseudomedical operations on the brain amongst a variety of other potential attacks). (and disbelievers and/or collaborators go do something else like brush your teeth) Also hairs have been consistently appearing in my food, if you do have input Id like to know.

My so called delusions revolve around actual facts so I still even while medicated struggle to see the way I view the world as deluded. If I am really deluded then what is going to happen when the 9 gang members get out of jail ordered by some people I know to shoot and kill an opposing gang member but f'ing up killing a baby girl asleep in a room. What is going to happen when the schizo that bludgened to death two friends of mine with a knife in one of the most horrific murders that has happened in my country. What is going to happen when the guy gets out of jail for bashing on the head a women I went to school to death. What is going to happen to all the other murderers that took part in the sudden outbreak of violence that happened all at once. What is going to happen to my two friends that killed themselves in a two week period and a number so great during the month that they still get together to remember all the people who died. This is an indirect attack by Bush when he feed his mentally ill bs of hunting evil forcing changes on society that caused many to fall off the truck. Maybe I am deluded, maybe my psych is but I will continue to hold onto my reality of truth based on actual factual evidence then based on delusion societal acting from radio, tv and those in power of the way the world is meant to be from those who either weren't there or were part of the cause. Delusions huh!

yes but I dont think bush was clever enough to do such things, perhaps directed by others I would not know at this time. I see your point very well. your psych is almost certainly deluded by the very nature of his position.

lateralus wrote:yes but I dont think bush was clever enough to do such things, perhaps directed by others I would not know at this time. I see your point very well.

All it takes is for people to believe in his motives and they will take part which after 9/11 wasn't that hard for those in power in my country to do. Revenge and justice. What bs its all about killing like what was done to them. THEY are as guilty as alq.

yes well observed.

the docs don't know the full implications of what they say and do. '2+2 = 4' that is no delusion and because you can see and count those pieces your brain deserves a pick be scrambled through the frontal cortex.

because ya can reason. the top tiers of leadership don't like reasoning.

let me rephrase - they want reasoning to be 'well i need a 200,000 dollar mortgage for a house i won't own for thirty+ years and might be repossesed anyway'.

thank you I appreciate the information. I agree.

Sorry. I kind of hijacked the thread. .

no, dont say sorry. Its alright.

Well it takes a delusion, or a "misreading" to cause a paradigm shift. But this delusion must be propogated extensively through the tools of immediate experience along with the more refined tools of pure abstract knowledge. I think it is the people that are able to read off the grid, and bring something back to intersubjective existence that have the most value in history. I have one main delusion that I have kept pre-schizophrenia, and tryed working on post-schizophrenia. This was the synthesization of previous threads that I have come up with in the past few years via the study of physical reality. I lightly hold that mathematics is destructurable, thus physical reality is more of a holographic temporal amalgamation of information that has been sedimented through years of tunnel vision. Many people hold this view, schizophrenic and not, and many people are working on this dilemna. Such as Christopher Langlan which has a reported 200 IQ, thinks that there is an unbound telesis, and matter is a synactic language. The idea goes back to plato's allegory of the cave, but philosophy is not the arena to assert this messege as it is only a malleable educated guess. The work on quantum physics, and many worlds interpretation has brought this phenomenon into the scientific tool. The edge of this sedimentary phenomenon can seen in the work of many philosophers such as Descartes and Nietzsche as a shadow. The state of withdrawn beings is correlated through many differentiating epochs with different centralized ontological states of being. Even zeno notes that there might be infinite space between any substance, and the connection between them is a cascading spirordial vaccum that only conjugates a relation based on the sole fact that they might be experiencing a similar reality. The best way to do this is to learn the fundamental connection between physics and mathematics, and see where one or the other delinearlizes the other. Axioms of basic relationality such as one-to-one correspondence are pinpointed as homeomorphic to subatomic substances themselves, when taxonomy is a truncation of actual existence. We label these atoms as a specific class, when in fact they are all unique, along with all substances and entities of the world. The movement of structuralization is a missing peice of physics in that it cannot conjugate the actual function of structuralization otherwise it would be possible to map all entities all the way from subatomic particles to abstract culture in a straight line. The different layers of existence are relational only to themselves, but are part of a greater whole. We cannot experience the experience of subatomic particles, and they cannot begin to know what language is like. Yet, there is the injection of language from the very beginning. When people can do higher class functions such as algebraic geometry, but they cannot figure out the structuralization of the prime numbers then it is a sort of assumption in mid air. So, I tried to figure out loopholes in the relation between mathematics, and the proposed physically expanding universe. And hold that things like one-to-one correspondence are only useful but would not hold through the entire lifespan of the physical universe. The tricky part is that this existence might not be a temporal progressive moment in history, but rather that it is an ashistorical function of existence itself. Of course it seems like I am hijacking other people's directionalities for my own, but there are too many associations in this point in time that point to some sort of physical eschatological endpoint. Every so often people realize that their view of the world changes beneath their feet, and it could no longer go back to the archaic, mythical, transcendental or paradoxically scientific platform of organization. All of this is related to schizophrenia in the sense that it is a break from the natural historical path of intersubjective experience. For example. What if there is a concept that there is a "beatle in a box", and two people are thinking about this beatle in a box. Both people are supposively talking about the same thing, but in their minds they try to find out what each of them is thinking at the moment of their relation. Two entities never meet, but this could just be the plexus of differentiation itself. While there are strict functional constants in the world that programmatically change the course of their relations through juxtaposition of some uncanny essence that was never there. All of the rationalism of history cannot assert why I am here or there at this moment. Language is not as fortutious as mathematics or observation, but it is impossible to go towards precision without the a priori intuition of the history of logic itself. Ive seen too many realities, and relations falling from turbulence of the economy because of this simple objective paradigm. Alot of people will never encounter an experience with the reason to why these things never meet, there are infinite channels of existence from plant life, to bankers and musicians. Most times, schizophrenic events are shallow and have no competition to sterile phenomena, but there are times where the mind seems more like a portal into a reality that is different from sterile existence. The den of ghosts in the kitchen is more totalitarian and reified than the arbitrary voice delusion, but even the voice delusion could be the primitive insignia of the tapping of the gian matrix. Where the generational mind of species interconnect non-locally. But there have been cases where parapsychcology was almost a science, such as the shared hallucinations of astral projection or the liquidity of morphogenic relations. I agree that most of the time these events are off, but what if something gets through? Of course I don't give in to any of these events, as I am not dogmatically binded to the unknown. The voice delusion could be one of the stupidest mistakes of human evolution, a cry at the alienation of individual consciousness, or it could be the one of the greatest entries of the evolution of communications. The voice delusion is not an immediate single event, it is intertwined with the history of consciousness which is cascading through time, so this kind of shift would not just be "telepathy" it would be a break from progressional time into the consciousness. And no one sees why the binary oppositions never align for universal elegance. The structures are set to be disseminating into infinite fog, while some archaic disposition that is probably beyond substance itself phase shifts away from itself. The most basic elements of reality like change are unidentifiable, but people go to scientific myths that the change is caused from cause and effect. There is a subzero point where even the event of life is at trial. No progression is linear in the specter that it might be an abyss right before the observers eyes. At this stage there is only topographical surface area to dig in to, but the faults of the machine have been idiographed for centuries while everyone just carries on. There is no outside view that propogates for a pure coincidence of the meeting in an ever flurry of neutrinos passing through any iron block, and the whole thing might take place in the crystalization of a peice of sand for one nanosecond.

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